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No way, let's not try to re-write history here, Manny tried to get Cotto down to 143 after he had already fought at the division limit of 147.
When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.
Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.
Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.
Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....
"I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.
But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.
Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker."
Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for Manny..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.
A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame
Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, Pac demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.
But even that was not enough for Manny, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....
Catch-weights.....
There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....
1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight
2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage
Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.
The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.
Shame on Pacquiao for cheating history, not once, but twice, because he did the same thing to Margarito..... Emmanuel Steward was correct when he said that Pacquiao is a cherry-picker who does not compare with truly great fighters.
Manny is a manufactured fighter, he is the " ****e Girls " of boxing.Comment
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Still..... cranking up the old excuse machine
Dude, catch-weight fights were originally conceived to enable exhibition match's between two opponents who would normally never meet because of weight disparity.
A title fight at catch-weight is a lame joke, and an indictment on the sport.
Do you seriously expect me to believe that Ray is a genuine LHW champ ?
That title is a joke, as are the others that you mentioned.
FACT: There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....
1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight
2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage
Either of those reasons deem the fight an exhibition match, and nothing more.Comment
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LOL , this shows exactly where your comprehension is lol .
The case Floyd is presenting is " without PEDS and in a clean fair fight he will totally own Plastic Man "
You dont even understand whats implied and asked for , your Pac shades are soooooo narrow minded , sheeese !!Comment
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@LeadUppercut
Too bad you're the only one who thinks that way about Pac. I'm a fight fan, and I don't see anything wrong with Pac at all. Reality is MOST if not everyone acknowledges Pacman's accomplishment. What's more important, is that athletes & the higher people loves it & cherish it. If you just take off your hate glasses or envy glasses that you're wearing, then it would be alot easier for you. But you live a nightmare that you made up on your own. And that's your sad reality.
Pac got his commercial power, his will on promoters, his fans, his will on fighters, and whatever else you wanna add to that through hard work. It just didn't pop out like that. The thing is, you're looking at it at the point where he started catchweights, Oscar or Cotto. I'm talking about before that. Before that, he was a fan-friendly beast of a fighter in that ring. Take away everything one he fought from Oscar til now, he still has a great resume. From Oscar til now are bonuses. He got more popular. Don't you get it? Point is, no one else can put butts in seats other than Pacman, just because no one can fight like Pacman. Period!Comment
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Marquez doesn't stand a chance. Everyone saw his poor performance against Mayweather.
Sure he did alright against Pac before, but I think Pac has the power to put him away right away now at the 140s.Comment
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dream on jmm. only floyd has d chance to beat pac....he is just on vacationComment
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@Laduppercut & everyone else who says Pacquiao is an unfair guy.
There are 3 elements that gets you fame in this business. But first let me give you an example of three:
1. Marcos Maidana
Everyone knows Maidana now due to his fighting style. It's aggressive, exciting, and it's on that fight fan wants.
2. Sergio Martinez
Martinez may not be a good technical boxer, not a brawler, but he took challenges and beat everyone around his division, and that's why he is popular.
3 lb-4-lb title
If you're in the top 5, you will be noticed. It means you've accomplished enough to get you that rating to be in top 5 or 10 lb-4-lb.
See all three example? This is all in one man, Pacman. How?
Pacman was exciting from the beginning when he first fought in USA against Ledwaba and That's eye-popping right there at that moment. Along the way, he was known as like Maidana now when it comes to fan-friendly fighting style.
But then he took a step and more steps to come to wipe out every best fighter out there around his division, like Martinez.
And not only did he wiped them out, but he destroyed the 2 top 10 if not top 5 kingpins that hovered around lb-4-lb best for years around that division in Barrera & Morales. At those moment, it defined him & his legacy, as a great. It should've end there when making a case for pacquiao.
But as we all know, he fought DelaHoya, Cotto, Hatton, etc.. along with winning 8 world titles. Enough said!Comment
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