Comments Thread For: Marquez: I Can Beat Manny Pacquiao at Any Weight

[maguirre]

Arum should just cancel this fight right away and point towards Ortiz. Ortiz is GBP, I know, but what better way to end the feud than Arum reaching out to GBP and offer a superfight starring Pac with them? Ortiz/Pac would be just as big. Man, Ortiz would take $5 million in a heartbeat.

Fans don't want this fight anymore by the way it's being discussed here. Too many butt hurt people with this fight. I really thought they wanted it. Marquez says weight would not be an issue, but fans seem to know more about him than the boxer knows of himself.

Besides, I've been entertained with Marquez in many of his fights since Pac 2. Fans might end up being denied of more Marqez fights if this trilogy happens as Marquez would end up retiring. One fight at the cost of losing more fights.

[Dorian]

JMM is looking for a huge payday, as is everyone else who is calling out Pac. He knows deep down he'd get hurt.

[-Spinal-]

than why are you 0-2 against him dumbass? Why did you get knocked down on your piss drinking ass 4 times in 2 fights and didn't knock Pac down at all?

*******s at their best, not knowing about anything about boxing before 2009.

Marquez is 1-0-1 against Pacquiao, and most boxing experts had Marquez winning the rematch.

[PennyAnd1]

Cotto is too big must fight 145 and now JMM is too small must be 147

Explain it *******s ?

the reason why you cant is because its shows Mannys manipulating ways !!

I'll try to explain that.
Cotto was way too big for Pac & way too powerful at that time. Pacman was in serious disadvantage if he did it all in Cotto's way, after only fighting once @147 against Oscar. I agree that he shouldn't get the Welterweight belt because they fought in 145lbs, it is unfair. But Pacman was the cash Cow, and to put him in a risky fight would be so ******, so their had to be a price paid. Cotto could've rejected and was wanting to, but the money on the table was too hard to reject. So in my opinion, at 145 it balanced it out.

To fight @147 againts Marquez is way of a disadvantage for Marquez. I say 144 should do it. But the thing is, what's the point? What's the point of draining himself? Just to fight Marquez? To win a Lightwelterweight champion? Give me somethin' here.. ? ???

[Reloaded]

Like I said, you know d@mn well that Marquez is going to get his @ss kicked and retired for good. Enjoy that p1ss drinking stalker as his career is about to come to an end.

What gets me is how proud you kids are of somebody winning because of cheating and manipulation , you lot dont want fair fights you just want your idol to win no matter how he sets it up , Plastic Man hasnt been in a fair fight since JMM , Plastic Man can pull weights both ways to suit him , duck PEDS tests , fight old men after ducking them blatantly , drag cheaters back from obscurity who cannot get a license and fight them for a paper title at a weight thats not the title weight ,,, Plastic Man is a hyped cheat , typical politician !!

[Reloaded]

I'll try to explain that.
Cotto was way too big for Pac & way too powerful at that time. Pacman was in serious disadvantage if he did it all in Cotto's way, after only fighting once @147 against Oscar. I agree that he shouldn't get the Welterweight belt because they fought in 145lbs, it is unfair. But Pacman was the cash Cow, and to put him in a risky fight would be so ******, so their had to be a price paid. Cotto could've rejected and was wanting to, but the money on the table was too hard to reject. So in my opinion, at 145 it balanced it out.

To fight @147 againts Marquez is way of a disadvantage for Marquez. I say 144 should do it. But the thing is, what's the point? What's the point of draining himself? Just to fight Marquez? To win a Lightwelterweight champion? Give me somethin' here.. ? ???

What I can give is your only verifying what we all know , Plastic Man cannot fight a fair fight and what makes the circus such a hype job is the way he big notes that he fights bigger men , that he will out do Floyd etc etc , it so shallow and has no honor its aimed at teenagers and Filos latching onto a hero , I would love to interview Pac or Roach because I have some questions that they would be tripping all over , Manny has gone Plastic thats the bottom line every fight has BS all over it .

[PennyAnd1]

What I can give is your only verifying what we all know , Plastic Man cannot fight a fair fight and what makes the circus such a hype job is the way he big notes that he fights bigger men , that he will out do Floyd etc etc , it so shallow and has no honor its aimed at teenagers and Filos latching onto a hero , I would love to interview Pac or Roach because I have some questions that they would be tripping all over , Manny has gone Plastic thats the bottom line every fight has BS all over it .

Actually for a little guy who fights in a risky way, and who dominated everyone with the exception of Marquez, i'd say that's un accomplishment no one else can out do. Catchweight is nothing new my friend. Everyone always did catchweight back then, especially the famous & best, just to put them in that ring together. Here's some notable ones:

*Pernell Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez, @ 142-145 catchweight
*Bernard Hopkins vs Oscar Dela Hoya @ 156lbs catchWeight
*Sugar Ray Leonard forced WBC light heavyweight title holder Donny Lalonde to come in at 168

Fact is, even with the catchweight, I have never seen anyone dominate an opponent like Pacquiao. Mayweather can dominate through points, but Pacquiao dominates not only through points but physically as well. But even before his catchweight acts, he was already a great for beating the three amigos in Barrera 2x, Morales 2x, & Marquez. The rest are bonuses. But I still wouldn;t see anyone else do what Pacman did, he they were in his shoes. Ya know what I mean?

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Actually for a little guy who fights in a risky way, and who dominated everyone with the exception of Marquez, i'd say that's un accomplishment no one else can out do. Catchweight is nothing new my friend. Everyone always did catchweight back then, especially the famous & best, just to put them in that ring together. Here's some notable ones:

*Pernell Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez, @ 142-145 catchweight
*Bernard Hopkins vs Oscar Dela Hoya @ 156lbs catchWeight
*Sugar Ray Leonard forced WBC light heavyweight title holder Donny Lalonde to come in at 168

Fact is, even with the catchweight, I have never seen anyone dominate an opponent like Pacquiao. Mayweather can dominate through points, but Pacquiao dominates not only through points but physically as well. But even before his catchweight acts, he was already a great for beating the three amigos in Barrera 2x, Morales 2x, & Marquez. The rest are bonuses. But I still wouldn;t see anyone else do what Pacman did, he they were in his shoes. Ya know what I mean?

Lots can do it if they had the commercial power to force fighters to drain themselves , and especially if you pick the right time to make them do it and boy oh boy does Manny pick the right time , Shane is a perfect example , they ducked him like the plague untill its PROVEN he is no longer a force .

Cotto came of a terrible beating , Freddie said openly he is damaged goods but they still drained him to make sure , Cotto beating a nobody in between is boxings ways of getting a win on the board , Margo was the same , caught cheating and knocked out badly then out for a long lay off, then cant make WW any more fought once at 154 looked woeful and then they fight for a 154 title at 150 with 8oz gloves in a 26 ft ring , give me a break buddy they openly said Foreman was too big so they did all that Margo posturing with Floyd deadlines lol , Arum promised Margo the fight straight after Clottey WTF , now they talking JMM at 147 , its a BS ride and all the manipulating was because he ducked a PEDS test ,,,,,,,,,,,

On the record book it might look flash , but if you break down what Manny has done since JMM its nothing more than cherry picking with a stacked deck his way .

[LeadUppercut]

Sorry to break it to ya kid. But that's reality. Reality is, Pacquiao has earned this type of what you call "manipulation," even though in really his infamous/genius Bob Arum is the one who guided him in this direction. You can't blame Pacman, we all want green. But beating the three amigos in Barrera 2x, Morales 2x, Marquez, and then winning against popular Hatton, Dela Hoya, Cotto, etc... The sky is the limit. He controls everything from there on. Until someone actually upsets Pacquiao, then everything will not be on cloud 9 for the Pacman. But until then it's reality, let's face it!

Marquez is like a warrior challenging a king 'Pacman' to get out of his palace and fight him in the public square. And Pacman, like all king wouldn't even waste his time on such a warrior or other warriors for that matter who wants the throne, unless it's somethin' really worth goin' out for. Maybe the king will go out the palace for a warrior whom you might say is famous for conquering more lands than him, or who killed 1000 men by himself, or somethin' worth the challenge ya know what I'm sayin? What does Pacquiao get, out of draining weight, just to fight Marquez? I lightwelterweight belt? ya know what I'm sayin'?

Sorry, but I cannot look at life through Pac-colored glasses.

Only in Pacland

I prefer to keep it real

The fact is, Pacquiao lost the second fight with Marquez, regardless as to the official score..... we all saw it, as did Pac. The look on Manny's face before the winner was announced, was that of a beaten man, he knew he lost that fight.

Since then, the "new" and "improved" Pacquiao, has been feeding on old men, faded champions, and stiff's.

Manny Pacquiao's last 7 opponents.....

Lately, a number of observers have commented that all of Manny Pacquiao's recent opponents have either been old, faded, or inept. Let's take a closer look at Manny's recent fights, and see if there is any truth to that allegation.....

Accusations leveled at Pacquiao include.....

* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Let's apply that criteria to Pac's last 7 opponents, and see how they stack up.

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David Diaz - Not a top fighter, faded, disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Oscar De La Hoya - Shot, drained, and shrink-wrapped.....
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Ricky Hatton - Not a top fighter, faded, and disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Miguel Angel Cotto - Badly faded / shopworn, and disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Joshua Clottey - Not a top fighter, and strangely innocuous.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Antonio Margarito - Not a top fighter, faded, disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

Shane Mosley - Faded, shopworn, and disadvantaged.....
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

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All-in-all, that is a damn shabby line-up for a supposed P4P fighter, especially when you consider all of the advantages afforded to Manny during those fights..... e.g. fighting for a vacant JMW title, at catch-weight, against a BUM, and using 8oz gloves

Now, I can understand a top fighter taking the odd bout against a lesser opponent.....
but EVERY opponent in your last 7 fights?

How fkn lame is that ?

The last time Pac fought a live dog was Marquez II, and according to a significant number of trainers/fighters/journalists/analysts..... HE LOST!!

SUMMARY: There is no question that Manny is a manufactured fighter, with a padded resume'..... quite simply, just more Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Manny is the " Danny Green " of the welterweight division.

[LeadUppercut]

Cotto is too big must fight 145 and now JMM is too small must be 147

Explain it *******s ?

the reason why you cant is because its shows Mannys manipulating ways !!

Bump......