Does Ali's fight with Terrell tell us how he'd handle the Klitschkos?

[Steak]

That's because it was merely an US-internal contest and Soviets were FORBIDDEN to compete professionally.

At Olympia (the only place where the Soviet bloc could compete) US-Americans haven't won a gold medal at heaviest weight since 50 years.

Before ANYONE can answer this question you'd have to define "top", "great" and "heavyweight" and "est" ("toe-to-toe" or "recordwise" or "skillwise"). This is a huge topic in my blog and I discuss it at lengths there. Every definition shift can result in utterly different toplists (even with the same set of boxers).

Besides this is pretty offtopic.

ATGs like Frazier and Foreman competed in the Olympics and were still KOing the best Soviets in the world, despite being teenagers.



mind you, this isnt the coddled version of amateurs we have today. this was a straight up fight. no headgear, no silly points system. It was almost the same as regular boxing, except shorter.

[hweightblogger]

ATGs like Frazier and Foreman competed in the Olympics and were still KOing the best Soviets in the world, despite being teenagers.

Foreman is the best boxer of the 1970s.

Mind you, even 1964 and 1968 (when Frazier an Foreman won) the Soviet Bloc won the most medals.

Foreman was the LAST one to win Gold for the USA in heaviest weight. That's now 43 years ago.

In 1960 (when Clay took part) the gold medal was won by Italy.

The weights of these guys are not know (as far as I know) but judging by the videos I would describe them as cruisers. Thus not representative for nowadays heavyweight.

[physiker]

Foreman is the best boxer of the 1970s.

Mind you, even 1964 and 1968 (when Frazier an Foreman won) the Soviet Bloc won the most medals.

Foreman was the LAST one to win Gold for the USA in heaviest weight. That's now 43 years ago.
In 1960 (when Clay took part) the gold medal was won by Italy.

The weights of these guys are not know (as far as I know) but judging by the videos I would describe them as cruisers. Thus not representative for nowadays heavyweight.

43 does not = 50. As steak proved. Don't try to twist, just start apologizing for your lies and distortions one at a time.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Foreman is the best boxer of the 1970s.

Mind you, even 1964 and 1968 (when Frazier an Foreman won) the Soviet Bloc won the most medals.

Foreman was the LAST one to win Gold for the USA in heaviest weight. That's now 43 years ago.

In 1960 (when Clay took part) the gold medal was won by Italy.

Muhammad Ali (then Cassius Clay) won the 1960 gold medal in Rome. The Italian, Cosimo Pinto, won in 1964.

[hweightblogger]

43 does not = 50. As steak proved. Don't try to twist, just start apologizing for your lies and distortions one at a time.

I corrected it before your post, but I was quoted faster by STEAK than I could correct it. Since 50 years the gold medals or the majority of medals are not won by US-Americans. Foreman (43 years ago) was the last gold medal winner in heaviest weight.

[physiker]

Muhammad Ali (then Cassius Clay) won the 1960 gold medal in Rome. The Italian, Cosimo Pinto, won in 1964.

Clay won gold as a light heavy. A different Italian won the gold in 1960--de Piccoli.

[hweightblogger]

Muhammad Ali (then Cassius Clay) won the 1960 gold medal in Rome. The Italian, Cosimo Pinto, won in 1964.

When Clay took part (1960) the heavyweight gold medal was won by Italy.

[Steak]

Foreman is the best boxer of the 1970s.

Mind you, even 1964 and 1968 (when Frazier an Foreman won) the Soviet Bloc won the most medals.

Foreman was the LAST one to win Gold for the USA in heaviest weight. That's now 43 years ago.

In 1960 (when Clay took part) the gold medal was won by Italy.

The weights of these guys are not know (as far as I know) but judging by the videos I would describe them as cruisers. Thus not representative for nowadays heavyweight.

but not over Foreman and Frazier, who were two key HW fighters of the 70s...and guys that Ali beat.

and Ali won a gold medal.

and Foreman and Frazier won at the HW weight class. Theyre HWs. I dont understand how you think Chepulis was not a HW, he looks pretty big to me...

by the way, the guy that Frazier beat, Vadim Yemelyanov, was a HW. check his weight here.

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/ye/vadim-yemelyanov-1.html

[CubanGuyNYC]

That's because it was merely an US-internal contest and Soviets were FORBIDDEN to compete professionally.

At Olympia (the only place where the Soviet bloc could compete) US-Americans haven't won a gold medal at heaviest weight since 40+ years.


Before ANYONE can answer this question you'd have to define "top", "great" and "heavyweight" and "est" ("toe-to-toe" or "recordwise" or "skillwise"). This is a huge topic in my blog and I discuss it at lengths there. Every definition shift can result in utterly different toplists (even with the same set of boxers).

Besides this is pretty offtopic.

Competing professionally has been forbidden to all athletes hailing from communist countries, not just the Soviet bloc -- that would include Cubans, as well. But every other nation has had the opportunity to compete. Americans may have had an edge, but they still dominated.

Yes, it's off-topic, but you brought it up by implying that Americans have a distorted view of who the greatest heavyweights are. I also agree with the distinction of "best," "greatest," etc. Since you bring it up, who, in your opinion, are the "best" and "greatest" heavies of all time?

[CubanGuyNYC]

Clay won gold as a light heavy. A different Italian won the gold in 1960--de Piccoli.

You're right. I was mistaken.