Comments Thread For: Bradley vs Khan: Perhaps The Fight Needs To Simmer

[Pullcounter]

"Strike while the iron is hot" were literally the very first words that followed my byline. I also mentioned Gamboa-Lopez and why I believe the same concerns don't exist for this particular matchup.

Not every scenario is the same.

I think you're wrong dude. the only scenario when you shouldn't make a fight is when "the iron is cold". if nobody wants the fight it shouldn't be made. example: ortiz vs guerrero. that's a dumb as fight that nobody is clamoring for. another example is putting in 2 prospects together.

only in those scenarios should a fight not happen.

but any boxers holding titles and belts should be trying to unify divisions imho. that includes gamboa and lopez both of whom hold titles in the feather weight division.

Gamboa-Lopez was always going to be a great fight, and nothing more.

well, Arum done ****ed up and now it's a less great fight than it was before.

As long as Arum planned to screw the pooch with both of them, such a fight was never going to determine featherweight supremacy.

this fight alone wouldn't have, but the winner facing the other FW champs would've, that's why it was important they fight.

Then there's also the part where Lopez is already threatening to move up, and Gamboa is beginning to have problems making 126 as well.

timmah and khan are both planning to move up

I'd be shocked if Bradley didn't retire while still fighting at 140.

doubt it. timmah has said he wants to fight pac, wifebeater, ortiz, berto. all these guys are at WW. If timmah doesn't get khan or maidana, he will pull an ortiz and move up to WW. Arum has been teasing Timmeh with a Pac fight and Timmah is a free agent. I think you are 100% wrong on this one.

And even given Khan's dimensions, there's absolutely no need for him to bolt to 147 unless it's for a money grab (Floyd fight, for example).

khan is a different story than timmah because he is chinny. I don't see him taking the punches that berto and ortiz were throwing at each other. I also don't see him fighting pac ever or beating wifebeater.

roach will want khan to stay at jr WW for as long as pac is in the game so he will have a champion in each division. khan won't want to compete with pac for opponents either.

Between the two, how many fighters in the Top 10 do you honestly see beating them? A few have a puncher's chance, but not much more.

khan is chinny and sometimes too brave for his own good (trying to imitate pac) so any body that can apply pressure is dangerous for him. khan is very vulnerable imho.

also, I don't see any body in the top 10 paying bradley what he thinks he's worth. timmah will move up because WW are paid more than jr WWs.

Conversely, both Lopez AND Gamboa were knockouts waiting to happen, given their styles and chin issues. More than a few hinted that Salido would be a handful for JuanMa, and were right about that.

Khan is just as vulnerable imho.

Hardly anyone would heavily favor either one over Chris John, if even at all. Jhonny Gonzalez is a very live dog against either of them, at least for however long his own chin holds up. Celestino Caballero is perhaps less of a perceived risk than before he fought Litzau, but still not exactly a layup for either fighter.

John is not a favorite over either. he doesn't have to power to hurt either like Salido does. Gonzalez just lost again. Caballero got beat by litzau. C'mon son.

Bradley and Khan are already at the top of the division. All that's left is to determine who is better.

and the fight should be made before timmah moves up to WW and khan gets hurt.

Bradley and Alexander had to fight when they did, because the fight was never going to get any bigger. Bradley-Khan has plenty of time to grow into an event, rather than "just" a fight.

bradley/khan isn't going to get any bigger either.

bradley's popularity has peaked imho. khan's star can rise higher, but he needs to beat bradley to make it shine brighter.

imho, both guys are as good as they'll ever be. they are in their primes. let them fight. just look at the ortiz/berto fight. it was a great fight.

The idea is to build up the winner as a lucrative option for Pac or - if he ever fights again - Floyd. HBO was specific about that when first flirting with the idea of an unofficial-official tournament.

wifebeater is already retired and pac will retire soon. if bradley/khan doesn't happen, bradley might miss that ship.

Right now, Bradley isn't at that point and perhaps never gets there (although - and at the risk of sounding like my boy K9 - actually being promoted, and not just showcased on TV would help tremendously).

false. if timmah signs with arum, he'll get that shot with pac whether he fights/beats khan or not.

Khan is reaching it but still has a way to go.

khan has a tougher road to the top because he and pac are both roach fighters. he'll have to do it the hard way and he needs bradley to validate himself at 140 lbs

Both are good enough to fend off whatever else is out there,

khan is vulnerable. so we shouldn't put any hope in your words. anything can happen in boxing.






trust this, if bradley doesn't get the khan fight, he'll sign with top rank and he'll get his shot at pac.

[leemoorcroft]

is this guy jokein me alls we ever see is hand picked *****e fights rare the 2 best get it on i for one am delighted this fight is gona happen sick of watching mayweather v small no hoper jmm or pac v clotty the best got to fight the best now before yeah get ye lopez salido outcomes again then the payin public miss out this fight the pac mayweather haye klitchko we need now before it fizzels out i mean i have no intrest in seein lopez gamboa nomore and that was my dream fight

[extracurRICular]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=476108

N'ff said

[Rome-By-Ko]

I disagree but this was a well written article and Jake made a lot of points that were true.

But I think Bradley-Alexander was made at the wrong place at the right time. Detroit? Are you kidding me? After Alexander selling 10k in St Luis, and Bradley showing he couldn't attract flies to a dumpster, it was obvious, for ticket sales sake, the fight should have happened in St Luis. I know they just wanted a neutral place but sometimes you have to make sacrifices, especially if you are not a big draw, or even a draw at all, in Bradley's case. Poor guy would probably not even sell out a fight in his own neighborhood.

Anyway, I agree that Khan and Bradley should fight at least one more fight before fighting eachother. They looked bad in their last fight. Bradley having a headbutt parade over Alexander, and Khan missing wildly like he never boxed before.

There was noway the Bradley Alexander fight would happen in the lue after the robbery they pulled on Kottie..Sacrifices my azz,this is undefeated rec at stake..

[Pullcounter]

There was noway the Bradley Alexander fight would happen in the lue after the robbery they pulled on Kottie..Sacrifices my azz,this is undefeated rec at stake..

the fight didn't have to be in the Lou... could've went to vegas or altantic city

[lefthook2daliva]

Khan/Bradley is the biggest money fight at 140 for each other. The time is now and Khan is a KO waiting to happen. Cause each man didn't fight a classic bout for the ages in their last fight shouldn't be the reason for them not to fight.

Tim should sign the contract cause beating Khan will spring board him to other big money fights

What he said^^^.

Seems to me like this could be a giant opportunity for Bradley to pick up alot of notoriety through a KO of Khan. Imo, he's got a better chance of KOing this Khan than Maidana did. Were he to do that, he might start "putting asses in seats".

As much as I like Bradley, let's face it: it's Khan's following that will make this event whatever it's gonna' be and that following is not going to abandon Khan after 1 ugly fight that he won.

As an aside, were Khan to fight Judah, I'll take Khan by UD or late stoppage. Also am wondering why there's no noise on this board about Bradley/Judah as a possible alternative. Only see posts about Khan/Judah.

[Dudley]

No way Bradly should turn this down.

He's only worth this especially after the poor poor performance in the Alexander fight.

Especially how he won. Head butting etc etc ... HBO isn't dumb. And Khan is getting 1.5 to Bradly's 1.3 sounds like Dessert Storm knows he's in for it and want's to cash out now.

What does Bradly Bring? No fans because of his Dirty tactics... you reap what you sew.

[TaurusJ27]

Bradley needs a good fight to redeem himself over the dumb headbutt tactics of his last fight.

[JakeNDaBox]

I think you're wrong dude. the only scenario when you shouldn't make a fight is when "the iron is cold". if nobody wants the fight it shouldn't be made. example: ortiz vs guerrero. that's a dumb as fight that nobody is clamoring for. another example is putting in 2 prospects together.

only in those scenarios should a fight not happen.

but any boxers holding titles and belts should be trying to unify divisions imho. that includes gamboa and lopez both of whom hold titles in the feather weight division.

I don't disagree that titlits should seek unification in the absence of another super fight or a mandatory defense. But the fight means just as much without alphabet hardware at stake. And also, it's not like the 140 division is lacking in viable options. I agree with you on Ortiz-Guerrero, ****** fight. But there are plenty of ways to mix and match at 140 and come out with entertaining and intriguing fights, and where Khan and Bradley can both shine.

timmah and khan are both planning to move up

doubt it. timmah has said he wants to fight pac, wifebeater, ortiz, berto. all these guys are at WW. If timmah doesn't get khan or maidana, he will pull an ortiz and move up to WW. Arum has been teasing Timmeh with a Pac fight and Timmah is a free agent. I think you are 100% wrong on this one.

Bradley's future will be clearer once he leaves Shaw. But without the guarantee of a Pac fight, a move to welterweight and Top Rank makes little to no business sense for him. I don't see him being as effective at 147 as he is at 140. Maybe the Abregu fight was an abberation, but he didn't look too great against a made-to-order opponent.

I can see Khan moving up for a fight with Ortiz, or if Floyd returns. But obviously he's not fighting Pacquiao, and has no other sensible reason to move up, unless he's struggling to make weight, which doesn't appear to be the case.

khan is a different story than timmah because he is chinny. I don't see him taking the punches that berto and ortiz were throwing at each other. I also don't see him fighting pac ever or beating wifebeater.

roach will want khan to stay at jr WW for as long as pac is in the game so he will have a champion in each division. khan won't want to compete with pac for opponents either.

khan is chinny and sometimes too brave for his own good (trying to imitate pac) so any body that can apply pressure is dangerous for him. khan is very vulnerable imho.

khan has a tougher road to the top because he and pac are both roach fighters. he'll have to do it the hard way and he needs bradley to validate himself at 140 lbs

khan is vulnerable. so we shouldn't put any hope in your words. anything can happen in boxing.

The fact that Khan and Pac will most likely never fight is one huge reason why his options at 147 are limited. Ortiz is the easiest fight to make given their promotional ties, but it depends on how long he stays champ/relevant at WW. I'm not sold on his being a true welter, just as I was never sold that Berto was anything more than an HBO mirage.

And think about this - if Khan has his eye on a welterweight run AND is that chinny/vulnerable, then why the hell would he be in a hurry to fight someone like Bradley? He can probably make more for a fight w/ Ortiz right now, where the reward would justify the risk.

well, Arum done ****ed up and now it's a less great fight than it was before. this fight alone wouldn't have, but the winner facing the other FW champs would've, that's why it was important they fight.

John is not a favorite over either. he doesn't have to power to hurt either like Salido does. Gonzalez just lost again. Caballero got beat by litzau. C'mon son.

Here's where you're wrong:
- it was clear that Arum's intention was NEVER to "clean out the division." (his words). They were never going to fight anyone not in the TR stable, which meant John was off the table. So yes, it was necessary for them to fight sooner rather than later.
- I don't see how John isn't a favorite against either, especially JuanMa, who is as dumb of a championship-level fighter as there is in the game today.
- Caballero lost to Litzau at 130. Not the first fighter to lose a stay busy fight outside of his weight class. Besides, all that means is that his asking price now goes down (or so it would seem). He's still a legit Top 10 featherweight.
- When did Gonzalez lose? In fact, he just scored quite possibly the biggest win of his career.

and the fight should be made before timmah moves up to WW and khan gets hurt.

bradley/khan isn't going to get any bigger either.

bradley's popularity has peaked imho. khan's star can rise higher, but he needs to beat bradley to make it shine brighter.

imho, both guys are as good as they'll ever be. they are in their primes. let them fight. just look at the ortiz/berto fight. it was a great fight.

also, I don't see any body in the top 10 paying bradley what he thinks he's worth. timmah will move up because WW are paid more than jr WWs.

If Bradley-Khan can't get any bigger, then all it is, is just a fight and not an event. I don't see how beating Bradley right now would be any bigger for Khan than beating Maidana, especially as thrilling as was that fight. Bradley's regarded as the better fighter, but hard to imagine the fight being as exciting as Khan-Maidana.

And I couldn't disagree more that Khan is as good as he will ever be. Khan is still young and I believe will only get better. Bradley is in the heart of his prime... but the fight doesn't make business sense for him if his intention is to dump Shaw after this fight. that's why I say he's better off facing any HBO-approved JWW, leaving Shaw and then fighting Khan in a situation where fewer hands are hitting his pockets.

wifebeater is already retired and pac will retire soon. if bradley/khan doesn't happen, bradley might miss that ship.

false. if timmah signs with arum, he'll get that shot with pac whether he fights/beats khan or not.

trust this, if bradley doesn't get the khan fight, he'll sign with top rank and he'll get his shot at pac.

That's IF he signs with Top Rank. I'm sure he and Dunkin have strongly considered the possibility that even if he signs with them, he doesn't get Pac right away and perhaps not even at all. And aside from Pac, Arum doesn't have much to offer Bradley except for whatever lightweights he can convince to move up. With that in mind, I honestly believe he goes to Golden Boy, which seems to be the trend of several Dunkin-managed fighters these days.

[jijthejungleboy]

this fight DOES NOT need to simmer any longer, sign the contract timmeh!