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[Peter Griffin]

Ortiz is pretty baffling to me at this point.

Dude was fighting at 140.

Comes in vs Berto as a god damn super middleweight.

Onlyyyyyyyyyy he's RIPPED to shreds over 160lbs?!

Seemingly lost no speed... basically got bigger stronger and faster, and his stamina was even better than before.

peds, right??

[THE REED]

peds, right??

Im not saying anything like that... he could of just had an incredible camp based a lot on putting muscle on to match Bertos size...

But ill just say it was impressive... to come in at 147... and then to put on 14lbs in a day and still be shredded...

[ny123]

he is.

he's already a star.

he didn't miss.

You're really pissing me off today. They werent talking about marketability they were talking in terms of talent

[chiguy91]

i think anyone can get knocked out, all it takes is one punch to change the fight. the way he fights, eating shots, i think he has a pretty decent chin. when he got rocked by cotto that was due to carelessness imo. he bounced back and stopped him, so i think he proved he could adapt or pick himself up if he was put on the spot. i think he is overhyped, but it's natural for someone like him (young undefeated with a huge fanbase). i don't expect him to stay undefeated, i actually want him to lose soon because i think it'll make him better and he can actually learn from his mistakes...time will tell with this kid.

[New England]

Ortiz is pretty baffling to me at this point.

Dude was fighting at 140.

Comes in vs Berto as a god damn super middleweight.

Onlyyyyyyyyyy he's RIPPED to shreds over 160lbs?!

Seemingly lost no speed... basically got bigger stronger and faster, and his stamina was even better than before.

it does seem a bit much for his first fight at ww


the only explanation is youth and growth

he's always had a lot of muscles in the core. he's built like a SS or corner without the length
maybe not having to make 140 was the best thing for him and he should have made the jump years ago


wartiz was the monster that some people thought berto was going to be / wishes he was
he ate huge punches
he's still a huge puncher at ww
he throws nothing but power and he's all offense



wartiz would murder rios at 145 (complely unrelated

rios might be hurting himself staying at 135 these days as well
unless his guys know somehting we dont
i havn't heard a peep from rios, in fact.

you know if ortiz looked terrible rios would be all over the boxosphere with his anti wartiz rhetoric

[Left Hook Tua]

You're really pissing me off today. They werent talking about marketability they were talking in terms of talent

what do you want from a prospect?

a title. he got that.

what "can't miss prospect" means ATG or HOF?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Im not saying anything like that... he could of just had an incredible camp based a lot on putting muscle on to match Bertos size...

But ill just say it was impressive... to come in at 147... and then to put on 14lbs in a day and still be shredded...

Reed remember though, the dude was always huge. That was one of the biggest misconceptions about the Berto fight that Berto was going to be so much bigger than him, it was the other way around.

I think Ortiz wasn't at the right weight class, even though he said he had no problem making 140lbs. You can see how his body has filled in at 147 and is there naturally.

Dude is built like a beast.

[ny123]

what do you want from a prospect?

a title. he got that.

what "can't miss prospect" means ATG or HOF?

Give me a break with that joke of a title are you kidding me? A cant miss prospect means that he eventually will be at the top of his division and i dont see that happening as long as there are big punchers from 154-160.

[Left Hook Tua]

Give me a break with that joke of a title are you kidding me? A cant miss prospect means that he eventually will be at the top of his division and i dont see that happening as long as there are big punchers from 154-160.

he has a belt and top 10 in his division.

he's not even a prospect anymore.

[THE REED]

Reed remember though, the dude was always huge. That was one of the biggest misconceptions about the Berto fight that Berto was going to be so much bigger than him, it was the other way around.

I think Ortiz wasn't at the right weight class, even though he said he had no problem making 140lbs. You can see how his body has filled in at 147 and is there naturally.

Dude is built like a beast.

He was definitely big for his weight class... but he made a dude a weight class up look small... Berto was getting punched by a damn SMW (technically )