Roach comments on drugs

[V.WEBB]

With the circle jerk going on in this thread, I thought there'd be something new from this video.

Translation: I have nothing to say, so this should do it.

He was caught because he was tested out of season and WADA was able to compare his results to his blood profile showing the increased level of HGH during the off-season test.

Right, he was still caught. By blood doping and not by urine.

I'm not saying HGH cannot be caught, they caught people during the Vancouver Olypics (even a guy who used an over the counter nasal spray) but the point is a single, or even a few tests in a short period of time isn't going to catch **** because of how HGH is tested. They compare the levels with their baseline blood profile (basically an average from year-round testing). So until WADA standards are actually met (which includes, year-round random testing) all this is BS posturing.

Where is BS?

[madsweeney]

Clean MY ears? Who asked them to do special testing, Mayweather or Mosley? And this isn't the first time Roach has said this. A while back he was talking about how he wanted Shane tested and blah, blah..which would make them hypocrites BECAUSE when Mayweather wanted them tested they openly refused.




Its pretty evident, considering that Mayweather was the ONLY one to ever ask them to do "special testing".

OMFG dude, listen to the conversation and get of Floyd's jock, they aren't talking about him or their negotiations with him at that point in the conversation. They are talking about Mosley and why they didn't ask for additional testing.

And you say *******s can't be argued with, your interjecting your opinions of what these guys are talking about over the actual video.

With your logic, this video is obviously about Manny running away from drug testing.

[V.WEBB]

OMFG dude, listen to the conversation and get of Floyd's jock, they aren't talking about him or their negotiations with him at that point in the conversation. They are talking about Mosley and why they didn't ask for additional testing.

Who asked them (Team Pac) to do additional testing? Simple question. Who did this?

And you say *******s can't be argued with, your interjecting your opinions of what these guys are talking about over the actual video.

With your logic, this video is obviously about Manny running away from drug testing.

The point I'm making is that, Roach reaffirmed that they refused to do the drug testing, but Manny is talking about how they "agreed to all of the demands." And again, WHO asked Manny to do additional drug testing, Maywweather or Mosley? There is your answer, its not that hard.

[Pacquiao'd]

Who asked them (Team Pac) to do additional testing? Simple question. Who did this?



The point I'm making is that, Roach reaffirmed that they refused to do the drug testing, but Manny is talking about how they "agreed to all of the demands." And again, WHO asked Manny to do additional drug testing, Maywweather or Mosley? There is your answer, its not that hard.

i dont think he gets it. haha

[madsweeney]

Translation: I have nothing to say, so this should do it.



Right, he was still caught. By blood doping and not by urine.



Where is BS?

Yes, ONE guy in all the world of professional sports (this includes cycling) has been actually caught using HGH through blood testing. Do you know how many people have been tested, and how many times they've been tested...and yet only once, has the testing been sucessful?

BTW the must up-to date form of testing for HGH is using urine, WADA just has not implemented it yet.

The BS is pretending this issue is about Manny and Floyd and that taking a few tests over the course of 4-6 weeks will prove anything. Nothing will change until boxing as a whole submits to WADA standards and until then, event he testing Mosley and Floyd went through is BS as the year-round testing is arguably the most important factor of WADA testing.

[madsweeney]

i dont think he gets it. haha

Don't you have some chubby Japanese chick to interview about the cultural impact Mayweather has had on dating in Asia?

[Pacquiao'd]

Don't you have some chubby Japanese chick to interview about the cultural impact Mayweather has had on dating in Asia?

naw. thats why im sitting here reading your posts and laughing

[V.WEBB]

Here you go madsweeney, lets end this little discussion about what exactly Roach was saying. Read below, he's said the same thing that he said in the video. And the quote was from December 21st, here on boxingscene.

That's a lie. I never said that. We turned that (drug testing) down once ourselves, so I would have to be a hypocrite to have said that - said Roach

Now its EVIDENT, he was talking about turning down Mayweather's request for drug testing.

http://www.boxingscene.com/roach-i-n...-mosley--34054

[BIGBOXINGFAN]

I found this interesting, sorry if it has been posted already.

Go to about 2.20

Are you kidding me?

Ok, so you are willing to risk your fighter, who you claim is like a son to you
against a known steroid user all because you don't want to look like a hypocrite?

You don't want Manny to take random test that bad, that you would fight Mosley anyway without blood test? Are you insane Freddie Roach?

Pacquiao fights with little defence. It's all out war in every fight.
Your gonna let a known steroid user who could be back on the juice step up in the ring with your so called friend and guy thats like a son to you all because you don't want manny to be subjected to the same random test?

If this doesn't raise a red flag wow.

I don't care about being a hypocrite when it comes to getting hit in the head by steroid users. So what, make Mosley take the test especially if my fighter is 100% clean and i know it.

Your argument would have been that Mosley is a known steroid user so we are gonna have random test. The minute Mosley said ok but you have to take the test to, team Pacquiao is like **** it we will fight without the test. We don't wanna be hypocrites. WTF?

Now I know Pacquaio is a bad mutha ****er but if you really care about him would you as a Pac fan take the risk of putting him in the ring with a known steroid user who could be on steroids again without blood test?

Or would you let him fight the guy anyway just as long as Manny is not tested because you guys don't want to look like hypocrites?

Let me know because this is beyond fishy and i'm a Pacquiao fan who loves to watch all of his fights. I'm just not a ******* or a *****.

[V.WEBB]

Yes, ONE guy in all the world of professional sports (this includes cycling) has been actually caught using HGH through blood testing. Do you know how many people have been tested, and how many times they've been tested...and yet only once, has the testing been sucessful?

BTW the must up-to date form of testing for HGH is using urine, WADA just has not implemented it yet.

The BS is pretending this issue is about Manny and Floyd and that taking a few tests over the course of 4-6 weeks will prove anything. Nothing will change until boxing as a whole submits to WADA standards and until then, event he testing Mosley and Floyd went through is BS as the year-round testing is arguably the most important factor of WADA testing.

Ugh, HGH isn't the only thing that an athlete can take to enhance their performance. Hello. There a designer drugs that can be out of a fighters system in a matter of hours, according to Conte.