Who has the better resume Sugar Ray Robinson or Manny Pacquiao?

[puga]

After reading a few posts from the likes of Puga, Straightleft, CheckHooks, Hugh Grant, and Pacdbest. Yes you can say that Pac fan base is probably the less knowldegeable fans in the history of the sport.

Even though you have idiots from every fan base, you have the Klitschko fan base who thinks both brothers are top 10 ATG like Die Anterwood, Jimmy1959, Tunney aka Freedom aka Klitschko2011. You have Floyd fans who are straight morons when it comes to the sport like footwork, Yesir, prince charles, Kevin Jesus aka engorged with blood, aka all the alts this Dominican but wants to be Guido, and acts hard has, any many more. You have the two females/****sexuals Oscar fans(lets be real only females and gays like Oscar) in Pastrano and CarlosGwhateverhisnameis, who think Oscar is a top 10 WW of all time But, the thing with some of these Pac fans. Is that they're more of them and seem to say the dumbest shit.

There's times that I hope the likes of Puga and his ilk are just Floyd fans pretending to be Pac fans just to make Pac fans look horrible.

They're idiots, what can you do? They do not really follow the sport nor have the knowledge about the sport history.

But, the Pac fans that get me, the ones that I don't understand. The Pac fans who do follow sport but when it comes Pac they act just as bad as Puga and straightleft and all these idiots. Like The Prince, like Brick Wall, like Pistol Whip, like Top Rank. I truly like Top Rank as a poster. He knows the sport well, he follows the sport, he's pretty knowledgeable. But, for some reason when it comes to Pac, him and The Prince will act like Floyd fans did years ago. They will talk about PPV buys and money, they act like it's OK if Pac doesn't fight this guy(cuz "Pac will win anyways"), they're in belief that Pac will fight a real threat soon(Martinez fight never is happening) That's how most of the Floyd fans acted back in the day and that's how these guys I mention act now.

I have always believed you can be a big fan of a fighter and still be critical of said fighter and it wouldn't make you any less of a fan.

At the end every fan base has their idiotic fans and their great knowledgeable fans. There are some Pac fans who are very knowledgeable and know when to call a spade a spade.

show me where i said the dumbest **** jho.....please, coz iv e backed up everything i said with facts..... becuase youre so desperate of tryin to make me look bad no matter how you tried , now you just attack characters.......youre just like walty, talk **** but avoid discussions....

[edgarg]

I say Sugar Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong are two of the biggest names in boxing which should be at the top of the ATG. Pacquiao is at least at the top 10.

I don't really care for Sugar Ray Leonard and as Floyd said he was a hype job. And I think Floyd wouldn't have said it without him knowing what a hype job is. I have more respect for Thomas Hearns than SRL.

Well, back to the argument. SRR and Armstrong fought inside the decades when racism was in an all time high. Watching clips of Joe Louis fighting a white boxer then winning followed by the audience turning into a mob out to hang him was a scary scene to watch. So, I just believe that fighting in those decades take a lot of courage and self determination to go against the crowd and expectations. Robinson and Armstrong were both pioneers.

To boxing inside the ring, Robinson and Armstrong fought all over the world. They showed their skills and their heart. Also, their schedules of fighting every month, or twice a month then every month, to 15 fights in a year is an impressive accomplishment. If you think about it, if JuanMa can lose to a journeyman named Salido or James Kirkland to Ishida then absolutely fighting 15 times a year would have increased the chance of an upset.

I don't like comparing those boxers to the modern day boxers. Modern boxers have to deal with politics. They don't even fight no more than 4 fights a year. And if they get a little bit of name recognition they become protected properties that only fights twice a year. All the champions today only fights twice a year and named boxers like Williams and others only fight twice a year too. So, those old time boxers would have laughed at the modern day champions. You know how many white boxers challenged Henry Armstrong and Sugar Ray Robinson back in those days? They all wanted to fight them because they couldn't stand those black men being at the top and on top of the white race.

Racism is a great motivator to fight a man. Hate is another thing. And the determination the politically correct term to say why any man wants to win. If I think about it, Ortiz hated people calling him a quitter and hated Berto for saying that he will make Ortiz quit. Berto didn't have hate or racism in his "determination" he only had an inflated ego. Berto thought he was the best because he was undefeated and he never quit. Then Ortiz came along with all the hate in the world and pounded Berto's chin to the ground twice and gave him jelly legs for 12 rounds.

Pacquiao is definitely up their in the ATG. And in this generation, starting from 2003 when he beat Barrera to 2011 and beyond he is definitely one of the best boxers. Give credit where credit is due. I think Rios hasn't fought anyone who will test him out. Right now, if Rios and Ortiz fight Ortiz wins because he found his "determination" which is he hates it when people questions his heart and calling him a quitter. Rios still has that undefeated smirk in his face like how JuanMa showed his before his fight with Salido. But all smirks disappear when the other boxer doesn't want to go down and who keeps throwing heavy punches from Round 1 to Round 12.

I do NOT agree with you when you say that "Racism is a great motive to fight a man".

To the best of my belief, the large majority of boxers are a kind of brotherhood, and acknowledge that they have RESPECT for one another, regardless of an occasional PERSONAL grudge or dislike.

Racism may have been a motive for promoters and attendees. Here's another thing to think about. There was, at one time, a considerable RIVALRY between NATIONALITIES, like Irish, ***ish, Italian fighters,etc which rose and ebbed. There were periods of popularity for certain nationalities, to the extent that you could find Italian fighters adopting ***ish or Irish names, and vice versa.

For example Max Baer, popularly but erroneously believed to have been ***ish, because he wore a Shield of David on his trunks (as indeed I myself did) ........ only did so for the first time because he was fighting Max Schmeling, just around the time when Hitler was publicly and seriously persecuting ***s, and much of the American boxing fraternity was ***ish. This was GREAT PR, and we'd never heard of ".....Political Correctness......".

I believe that Packy O'Gatty was Italian, as many champions were, with changed or anglicized names.

But I don't think that any of the above is the kind of racism that you are meaning??

[jrosales13]

I have no beef with you my dude. In the last few weeks I've seen you post stuff about Pac that I agree with 100%. I used to think you were a shameless tard like Makavelli but I now believe that you're no nut hugger. People on this site don't like me because I **** on Pac but I don't care. I'm no d1ck riding fanboy who follows 1 fighter like I'm in a cult.

Mak knowledge of boxing>>>>Yours.

The thing with Mak is that he can actually discuss boxing. If you go at him the right way, you can have a real boxing discussion with him. From Marvin Hagler to Simon Brown, Terry Norris, Juliun Jackson, ever smaller fighters like the Ruelas brothers, Tapia, Carbajal, and Chiquita. I have seen him discuss about those fighters and he knows what he's talking about when it comes to those fighters.

I have never seen you discuss fighters like that. I have seen you discuss Leonard and Duran and the Klitschkos but that's about it. And, it was just like one or two threads about it. After that every thing you write is about some crappy Floyd vs Pac nonsense.

Is not that you **** on Pac. I'm OK with anybody ****tin on Pac as long as you bring up great points and make valid arguments and are like that with other fighters as well. But, the thing with you is, that you **** on Pac with silly logic and when you get countered you say even more idiotic ****.

It is what it is.

[jrosales13]

show me where i said the dumbest **** jho.....please, coz iv e backed up everything i said with facts..... becuase youre so desperate of tryin to make me look bad no matter how you tried , now you just attack characters.......youre just like walty, talk **** but avoid discussions....

Some of your "facts" are not really facts. But, it's not about the facts either is the ******ed logic you use. Facts are no good if you going to combine it with silly logic.

And, you do use ******ed ass logic. I have had plenty of discussions with you before to know this. Your logic is straight silly, you're a horrible boxing fan. And, it's really useless to even speak boxing with you.

[puga]

Some of your "facts" are not really facts. But, it's not about the facts either is the ******ed logic you use. Facts are no good if you going to combine it with silly logic.

And, you do use ******ed ass logic. I have had plenty of discussions with you before to know this. Your logic is straight silly, you're a horrible boxing fan. And, it's really useless to even speak boxing with you.

they are not facts becuase you said so?..lol.....and yes you have had dsicussions with me and never did you come close to making me look bad....thats your whole problem with me, .. you even went on to spying on my profile every week thinking it'd help you own me...lol...ofcourse it is useless coz you end doing notihng but namecalling....
and please, stop pretending to a pacfan like you pretend to guatemalan...

[jrosales13]

they are not facts becuase you said so?..lol.....and yes you have had dsicussions with me and never did you come close to making me look bad....thats your whole problem with me, .. you even went on to spying on my profile every week thinking it'd help you own me...lol...ofcourse it is useless coz you end doing notihng but namecalling....
and please, stop pretending to a pacfan like you pretend to guatemalan...

This whole post is laughable. Whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart.

[AllEyesOpen]

they are not facts becuase you said so?..lol.....and yes you have had dsicussions with me and never did you come close to making me look bad....thats your whole problem with me, .. you even went on to spying on my profile every week thinking it'd help you own me...lol...ofcourse it is useless coz you end doing notihng but namecalling....
and please, stop pretending to a pacfan like you pretend to guatemalan...

Of course not, you take care of that all by yourself. I give J props for having the patience to try to hit you up with knowledge and common sense.

Me? I've been around long enough to know it's huge waste of time.

[puga]

This whole post is laughable. Whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart.

i know , im lauginh too but it is what it is...well, atelast you did'nt resort to namecalling like you always do....

[Chups]

I can't believe you fakking idiots responded seriously to this thread. The threadstarter is obviously a ***** alt trying to ignite more fire against *******s and Pacfans.

[puga]

Of course not, you take care of that all by yourself. I give J props for having the patience to try to hit you up with knowledge and common sense.

Me? I've been around long enough to know it's huge waste of time.

sorry but who cares about you...