Video Proof Robinson would have destroyed Pacquiao

[joelab75]

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watch their fight in good quality, it makes a big difference.


something i tried to point out. The NSB ****** CROWD don't seem to understand the reason today's fighters look faster and better is because of how many frames camera's could capture in the past. It's all about the camera quality. Look at the difference in the re-mastered version...additionally SRR was quite old in his fights with Basilio. Now imagine a prime SRR captured with today's technology.

Not understanding the limitations of old reels (and how to watch them) is why people can't fathom it when the old timers who were alive then and today tell everyone how good SRR and the like were....how fast etc etc and why they compare them more than favorably with today's fighters.

maybe ur the ******? u dont know what u talking about man. its like you're saying carl lewis was really faster than usaine bolt? dr J was faster and jumps higher than Lebron James? or in boxing nothing has changed only every other sports but boxing? everyone gets better, every decade boxers get stronger and faster. Babe Ruth wouldnt do ***** in this era. he'd be lucky to hit 10-15 HR, the guy was out of shape most of the time and he is considered baseball GOAT.

[hweightblogger]

For the people who haven't realised, he is being sarcastic.

This was Ray Robinson's 149th fight. Yes, 149th fight.

Yes, his 149th fight.

And his 21st fight against someone NOT coming off a loss (or a loss within the last 12 months) or a bum.

You see, I find it strange that a guy with 200 fights has 173 of them against bums (like Jimmy Mandell 11-16) or guys who lost their last fight or had a loss within a year prior to the fight.

There you see the real reason why SRR could fight so many fights: A cherry-picker, not in the sense that he ducked anyone, but in the sense that he carefully chose the right moment.

His record against the "bummies and losties" is 156wins-12losses
His record against the "goodies" is 17wins-7losses

How many opponents did SRR win against who were non-bums and non-losties (at bout)?

SRR: 14 (his whole career).
The Greatest Clay: 16 (of which 10 are real heavyweight fights 200x2)
Lennox Lewis: 18
Wlad: 18

I am so sorry to put a dent into SRR's crown. Of course SRR's record is top. Nevertheless I had to say what I had to say.

[hweightblogger]

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the old camer'as could'nt capture the speed and it makes them slower? does that make sense?

why were old movies all sped-up like then? less frames per second

here's somethin from google about old camera's:
"They were shot on 16 millimeter film.35 millimeter will show each step of a person walking,16 mm shows every third step so seems they're moving faster with a jerky motion.Less frames shot per minute."

now, most robinson footage probabley had a little higher millimeter film

You just need to check whether a round is 3 minutes long.

[Khalid X]

To be fair, if they fought here is how I see it.

First of all, Robinson is the better fighter at WW. He should win as he has the physical advantages etc.

Here are some scenarios as to how this would go:

1. He could destroy Manny, he is one of the greatest if not the greatest fighter of all time.

2. He would just beat Manny via UD. Lesser fighters have made it to the distance against Robinson and have been competitive against him. I don't see anything wrong with someone saying this as again, lesser fighters have put up good fights against Robinson.

3. Manny could beat him. Again, Manny is an ATG and is good himself. Lesser fighters have beaten Robinson and IMO I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking another ATG, whether it's Floyd, Hearns, Leonard etc couldn't beat him. No one is unbeatable and Robinson has loss to guys who weren't ATG or even spectacular boxers.


I look at it like this....If they fought 10 times, Robinson would probably win the majority of the time and Manny possible a few here and there. Again if you look at his losses, it's no reason to think Manny couldn't replicate those game-plans and match those guys talent and skill wise. With Manny, if you look at some of the fights he may have struggled (guys who had him hurt etc) or the things that gave him problems......no doubt Robinson would do the same thing and end up demolishing Manny.

Just my two cents.

[AllEyesOpen]

Hard to compare the 12th round of a 15 round fight of SRR to the 3rd round of a clearly and completely outmatched Diaz.

[PacquiaoATG]

Pacquiao can destroyed SSR easy.

[Canelo Phresh]

dont think posters will ever take *******s seriously again after this thread.

[TheGreatA]

Let's see Pacquiao compete at 37 before bringing up the Basilio fights, will we?

And for those who want a glimpse of a prime Robinson, here you go:


Welterweight Ray Robinson by TheGreatA

Regardless of whether you think the fighter above is the greatest or not, you have to admit he was pretty damn good and certainly wouldn't be outmatched against today's fighters.

[ALG United]

you have no idea what youre talking about kid pacquiao is fighting shot fighters who come in weight drained and have no power they're out of breath and they become weak because of pacquiaos catch weight demand.It is natural for a fighter to become tired when he feels the pressure of the opponent.pacs opposition wasnt that great in his last 5 fights or so.how come he use to get tired when he fought in the lower division?he look more damaged than he does now.but thats a different topic because we all know what pac is doing right now and we all know that he didnt fight a legit opponent since he moved up in weight.

Have you watched the first Barrera fight with Manny??!!! Manny battered Barrera to submission non-stop for 11 rounds, that's how Manny got the reputation of being like the Energizer Bunny!!!

[ALG United]

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watch their fight in good quality, it makes a big difference.


something i tried to point out. The NSB ****** CROWD don't seem to understand the reason today's fighters look faster and better is because of how many frames camera's could capture in the past. It's all about the camera quality. Look at the difference in the re-mastered version...additionally SRR was quite old in his fights with Basilio. Now imagine a prime SRR captured with today's technology.

Not understanding the limitations of old reels (and how to watch them) is why people can't fathom it when the old timers who were alive then and today tell everyone how good SRR and the like were....how fast etc etc and why they compare them more than favorably with today's fighters.

This are all BBULLS****!!! I am a professional CINEMATOGRAPHER and i do this for a living, so I would have much more knowledge in this field than i think you would have. And in my 20 years of experience, old boxing clips such as this one were shot in black and white Film in 24 frames-per-second speed, this speed is and forever was the industry standard since the days of Humprey Bogart or even older, until the present day of 2011, it has never changed... So a re-mastered old clip will just give you great quality, sharper, smoother visual image, but the speed will be the same 24 frames-per-second...