Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

[Illdil]

everybodies feelings are hurt because of a sparring session that pac admitted but refuse to talk about. its guaranteed that in reality ortiz vs pac won't happen because ortiz is'nt old,shot,and can't be weight drained.its to the point where pac wants to weight gain jmm.

Reading your posts is like watching dumb and dumber ...

[jrosales13]

That is a subjective opinion, and a big call.

And, it is based on nothing but guesswork. Why? Because there is no recent blueprint..... Pac does not fight skilled, young, hungry, prime fighters, who happen to be coming off a career defining win.

That fight will never happen.

BTW, Mayweather will almost certainly clean Pac's clock, does not mean that fight shouldn't happen either.

How can Berto be ready, but Ortiz not? Ortiz is clearly the #3 welter, and there is clearly no more deserving opponent for either Pacquiao or Mayweather.

Who says that Ortiz is not ready? Who says that Ortiz is not deserving? Who saying that Pac shouldn't fight him? Of course Pac should fight him more so than Mosley or Marg, or all these future opponents that I keep hearing like JMM III @ 147, Cotto-Marg winner II, Cintron. Where did I say different?

That still doesn't take away that Pac would beat the **** out of him.

LOL @ "Mayweather will almost certainly clean Pac's clock". But, saying Pac would ruin Ortiz is "guesswork"

Really? WTF? Are you guys F'ing ******ed? Stop with your hidden agenda. Don't let your hate for a fighter get the best of you.

What would make Ortiz competitive against Pac? Because, he beat another underachiever? Why are we forgetting that F'ing Berto had him down and hurt? Why are we forgetting that F'ing Maidana made him question his choice of career? Why are we forgetting that this "hungry" kid couldn't finish a fighter who he had down twice early? Yet Pac can't do what F'ing Berto and Maidana did? Not only could Pac do it. But, he would it much worse that it could end Ortiz career. If Maidana could make Ortiz question his career choice. Pac would end it.

Doesn't mean that it shouldn't of happen though. Cuz' it should. Pac-Berto should of happened. Even though Pac would have dominated and had him outta there in 6 anyways the fight should have happened. Now this fight should happen it probably won't but it should.

But, Ortiz can't **** with Pac in the ring. I can't take you serious if you think different.

[-Spinal-]

Maidana has a TKO win over Ortiz, he just added a future HOF'er on his resume, he was on PPV, he's been talked about a lot for the past couple of years, he called out Mayweather recently. There you go, FOTY with Khan, FOTY candidate with Morales, GBP fighter, smaller fighter, low risk, you won't get that much less than you would with Ortiz, let's not act like Ortiz will bring in De La Hoya or Pacquiao money now, he's still an HBO WCB fighter last time I checked. An in the end, you can always say, Maidana made Ortiz quit. This is not exactly what I think, just using the same logic.

This is too good to be true, why doesn't Floyd accept all of these low risk challenges? I mean will Ortiz give you $10-20MM dollars more than Maidana, Guerrero and Bradley would give you?No , it's not like he's some cash cow now. What high reward are you gonna get from beating Ortiz, tell me how much money you think Ortiz is worth, that Maidana isn't? $2-3Mill more? That's a huge difference if you never made $30Mill for one fight like Floyd has. But to Floyd, Maidiana, Guerrero, Ortiz are all in the same boat. Actually out of those 3 Maidana has been the only one to headline a PPV. There you go Floyd, a low risk fight for you from a guy who's calling you out.

[jrosales13]

Was Shane a low risk, big money fight?

Did you not read my last line?

[buckdacious]

Ortiz is very good and showed me alot of heart in the Berto fight. He took some massive shots but kept coming like a mexican would. Marquez should get the next fight with Pac but if Pac wins that and Mayweather is nowhere around then Ortiz should fight.

[jrosales13]

Maidana has a TKO win over Ortiz, he just added a future HOF'er on his resume, he was on PPV, he's been talked about a lot for the past couple of years, he called out Mayweather recently. There you go, FOTY with Khan, FOTY candidate with Morales, GBP fighter, smaller fighter, low risk, you won't get that much less than you would with Ortiz, let's not act like Ortiz will bring in De La Hoya or Pacquiao money now, he's still an HBO WCB fighter last time I checked. An in the end, you can always say, Maidana made Ortiz quit. This is not exactly what I think, just using the same logic.

This is too good to be true, why doesn't Floyd accept all of these low risk challenges? I mean will Ortiz give you $10-20MM dollars more than Maidana, Guerrero and Bradley would give you?No , it's not like he's some cash cow now. What high reward are you gonna get from beating Ortiz, tell me how much money you think Ortiz is worth, that Maidana isn't? $2-3Mill more? That's a huge difference if you never made $30Mill for one fight like Floyd has. But to Floyd, Maidiana, Guerrero, Ortiz are all in the same boat. Actually out of those 3 Maidana has been the only one to headline a PPV. There you go Floyd, a low risk fight for you from a guy who's calling you out.

Yes because, Maidana after going life and death against a shot fighter where Maidana failed to impress is just as hot as Ortiz is, who's coming off a career defining victory.

Yes, Kev keep making these great points

[flint]

pac came in the cheato fight around 144 where he claims he's most comfortable.but he said that jmm has to come in at 147 or there's no fight.last time i checked clottey,cotto,cheato and now mosley are all bigger than jmm.what a freakin sissy pac is.he knows jmm has his number.

[Stanly Ketchel]

[QUOTE=mikemurni;10420750]I dont know about that. Pac is not fighting GB fighters because GB is getting percentage over his shares of the PPV. But with Top Rank getting the share of Ortiz revenue, it kinda balance things of.

All this bitterness are all bs to me anyway. At the end of the day, its still money that revolves around these promoters. And DeBeouf who is goin' to be negotiating in Pac's behalf anyway, and not Arum.[/QUOTE]

Dont be fooled Bobby runs things. If you thinks otherwise your misinformed. He will never let the fight happen he is bitter towards ortiz

[flint]

and in maidanas next article. he said he was just joking about the mayweather. how quicky everybody sticks their foot in their mouth

[GRUSTLER]

Grustlet, is also on the same level as those 2. Apparently now Ortiz can be competitive against the likes of Pac.

I knew it wouldn't be long before my son wanted to call out his daddy. Ortiz fought hard against Berto. Anyone who puts on a performance like that can fight whoever they want and be competitive if full focused. Stop sweating me so much because I got respect on here and you are continuously walking in my shadow. Pac hasn't even beat an undefeated, young prime champion for a loooong time now. Why wouldn't I believe that he has a shot against Pac? when was the last time Pac fought anyone competitive?