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  • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
    I hear you loud and clear but Floyd fought and beat Shane back when Shane was considered to still be a threat after Margarito and Pac didn't want any parts of Shane. What Pac did wasn't what real fighters do because Mosley was begging Pac for a shot at him and Mosley was the champ at WW. How can a WW #1 champ have to beg the P4P best fighter for a fight and he still refuses? That's not real. If Pac would have fought and beat Shane prior then there would have been nothing coming from me because Shane was the best and Pac didn't want to touch him.
    Because he was moving up in weight. In any case he fought the next best fighter at WW after Shane ( and the guy who beat Shane at WW). Not bad for a fighter having his first real fight at a higher division. I mean you should be impressed considering that you had Pac already beat even before the first bell sounded.

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    • Originally posted by mikemurni View Post
      Because he was moving up in weight. In any case he fought the next best fighter at WW after Shane ( and the guy who beat Shane at WW). Not bad for a fighter having his first real fight at a higher division. I mean you should be impressed considering that you had Pac already beat even before the first bell sounded.
      Cotto struggled against Clottey and that's why Pac fought him. Shane was the best and had the title that Margarito got from Cotto. On top of that. The fight wasn't even at 147 like Cotto/Shane. Don't try to sell me that Cotto was a better fight for Pac than Shane.

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      • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
        Cotto struggled against Clottey and that's why Pac fought him. Shane was the best and had the title that Margarito got from Cotto. On top of that. The fight wasn't even at 147 like Cotto/Shane. Don't try to sell me that Cotto was a better fight for Pac than Shane.
        If Clottey won the fight, he would have fought Clottey instead of Cotto. Cotto was not a better fight compared to Mosley but Pac was coming up in weight, and it was the next best fight after Mosley. If Ortiz and Bradley fought Cotto at that time in their first fight at WW even at catchweight, you would have already have given them their due without hesitation. But since its Pac its a different story for you.

        And stop complaining about the weight, you felt the weight is enough for Cotto to beat Pac at that time so you should not really be throwing any form of excuses. You said that you gave Pac his due when he made you eat your crow. Making excuses for Cotto even now, is not giving Pac his due.

        Just say you were disappointed that Pac didnt face Mosley, and you might have a semblance of partiality and objectivity when it comes to Pac. Something that you are desperately tryin' to potray.
        Last edited by mikemurni; 04-22-2011, 02:40 PM.

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        • Originally posted by mikemurni View Post
          If Clottey won the fight, he would have fought Clottey instead of Cotto. Cotto was not a better fight compared to Mosley but Pac was coming up in weight, and it was the next best fight after Mosley. If Ortiz and Bradley fought Cotto at that time in their first fight at WW even at catchweight, you would have already have given them their due without hesitation. But since its Pac its a different story for you.

          And stop complaining about the weight, you felt the weight is enough for Cotto to beat Pac at that time so you should not really be throwing any form of excuses. You said that you gave Pac his due when he made you eat your crow. Making excuses for Cotto even now, is not giving Pac his due.

          Just say you were disappointed that Pac didnt face Mosley, and you might have a semblance of partiality and objectivity when it comes to Pac. Something that you are desperately tryin' to potray.
          I gave Pac his due but it's true that he didn't face Cotto at 147 right? The Cotto win was good but at 147 it would have been better and I think team Pac would agree once you look at the list on the wall where the catchweights cannot be seen. Sure I'm disappointed in Pac not fighting Mosley because that was when Pac could have showed us that he is the best after Mosley came off that Margarito win. How was Cotto the best fight when everyone was saying that Cotto wasn't the same since Margarito? Financial wise, sure Cotto was a better fight but status and claim wise. Mosley was the fight Pac needed.
          Last edited by GRUSTLER; 04-22-2011, 02:50 PM.

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          • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
            I gave Pac his due but it's true that he didn't face Cotto at 147 right? The Cotto win was good but at 147 it would have been better and I think team Pac would agree once you look at the list on the wall where the catchweights cannot be seen. Sure I'm disappointed in Pac not fighting Mosley because that was when Pac could have shown us that he is the best after Mosley came off that Margarito win. How was Cotto the best fight when everyone was saying that Cotto wasn't the same since Margarito? Financial wise, sure Cotto was a better fight but status and claim wise. Mosley was the fight Pac needed.
            Cotto, after Mosley, was the best fight financial and in status. There was no other fight better than this two since they were both the best fighters (Marg included) at WW at that time. All of them had loses at WW but they were all coming against each other. So they remained on the top 3 spots at WW division.

            It would have been better if Pac beat Cotto at 147 but that fight was only 2/1 odds in favor of Pac, even at 145 which is what really matters. Thats why it was an anticipated fight at that time because it was a near 50/50 odds on both fighter's chances getting beat. The only farce about that fight was the belt, but who gives a **** about the belt this days anyway.

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            • Originally posted by mikemurni View Post
              Cotto, after Mosley, was the best fight financial and in status. There was no other fight better than this two since they were both the best fighters (Marg included) at WW at that time. All of them had loses at WW but they were all coming against each other. So they remained on the top 3 spots at WW division.

              It would have been better if Pac beat Cotto at 147 but that fight was only 2/1 odds in favor of Pac, even at 145 which is what really matters. Thats why it was an anticipated fight at that time because it was a near 50/50 odds on both fighter's chances getting beat. The only farce about that fight was the belt, but who gives a **** about the belt this days anyway.
              Mosley was still regarded as the best in the WW division after his fight against Margarito. Shane had Cotto's title he KO'd Margarito for. Shane was the man to beat and for obvious reasons. Manny fought 3 times at WW and Floyd once technically (Not counting JMM) and he went over Pac as #1 in the rankings at 147. If Pac fought Shane then his claim would have been more legit than it is now.

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              • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
                Mosley was still regarded as the best in the WW division after his fight against Margarito. Shane had Cotto's title he KO'd Margarito for. Shane was the man to beat and for obvious reasons. Manny fought 3 times at WW and Floyd once technically (Not counting JMM) and he went over Pac as #1 in the rankings at 147. If Pac fought Shane then his claim would have been more legit than it is now.
                Pac became the #2 WW ranked fighter after just 1 fight at that weight which is not too bad either. How many fighters can lay claim to that. Floyd in his first fight at WW didnt even do that.

                And since we are talkn' about rankings, Pac cannot be #1 WW now even if he fought 10 times because the only way he can do that is to beat Floyd, which doesnt look like goin to be happening soon. Unless they strip Floyd of that ranking for being inactive.
                Last edited by mikemurni; 04-22-2011, 03:34 PM.

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                • Originally posted by mikemurni View Post
                  Pac became the #2 WW ranked fighter after 1 fight at weight which is not too bad either. How many fighters can lay claim to that. Floyd in his first fight at WW didnt even do that.

                  And since we are talkn' about rankings, Pac cannot be #1 WW now even if he fought 10 times because the only way he can do that is to beat Floyd, which doesnt look like goin to be happening soon. Unless they strip Floyd of that ranking for being inactive.
                  I can dig it. You know what? Debating with you wasn't that bad as in the past. You see! We can have a respectful debate or disagree without cursing each other out. Good ****.

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                  • Originally posted by mikemurni View Post
                    Pac became the #2 WW ranked fighter after just 1 fight at that weight which is not too bad either. How many fighters can lay claim to that. Floyd in his first fight at WW didnt even do that.

                    And since we are talkn' about rankings, Pac cannot be #1 WW now even if he fought 10 times because the only way he can do that is to beat Floyd, which doesnt look like goin to be happening soon. Unless they strip Floyd of that ranking for being inactive.
                    pacquiao became the #2 ww after beating oscar?if so thats some bull****

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                    • Originally posted by letsgobrady View Post
                      pacquiao became the #2 ww after beating oscar?if so thats some bull****
                      Yeah, especially since Oscar De La Hoya didn't fight at WW for 7 years before the fight with Pac.

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