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  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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    Redemption Song - Victor Ortiz

    Redemption Song
    by Cuauhtemoc1502

    There's a line in Bob Marley's Redemption Song that goes like this; "Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, None but ourselves can free our mind."

    Now Marley was talking about something a little more serious than boxing but that is exactly what Victor Ortiz did on Saturday night. He freed himself from the way the media, fans and boxing world had seen him after the Maidana fight. There was this notion that the kid was a quitter, soft and weak minded. Well the irony of this fight is that he was mentally tougher than his opponent Berto that night.

    Berto was a champ, more than just a hot prospect, he was the belt holder and in line to be matched up against the elite of that weight class. People were already talking about how he would do against Pacquaio. Nobody gave Ortiz a chance, I mean after his quitting against Maidana and then his lack luster performance vs Peterson, who could be blamed for thinking this?

    Then on Saturday night, Ortiz came out like a man possessed, he out muscled the supposedly bigger man in Berto. Ortiz coming up from 140lbs to 147lbs, everyone thought the combination of speed and power Berto possessed would be way too much for Ortiz......it wasn't.

    Ortiz was the bully, he came out and jumped right on Berto from the opening bell and made Berto take a knee in the corner after being hurt by a left hand. Ortiz would go on to score 3 official knockdowns even though some thought he scored another knockdown that wasn't counted.

    He himself was knocked down twice, first one was more of a flash knockdown but the second was a devastating right hand that landed in the middle of the 6th round (which might be round of the year by the way) and got up and showed amazing heart and scored a knockdown himself with a beautiful left hook with his back on the ropes with about 10 seconds left in the round.

    I believe that when Berto felt Ortiz' power, he did the same thing he did vs Collazo, he refused to step into range and into the fire. Ortiz had bullied the bully and dictated the pace and distance throughout the entire fight. It was Berto that failed mentally, not being able to answer combinations and only looking for that big right hand that had bailed him out so many times before. Even when he landed it, it wasn't enough. Ortiz got up from the shot that would surely end most fighters nights and scored a knockdown of his own to even out the round.

    Ortiz learned something specifically against Peterson a fight before I believe, he understood that you cannot leave anything to the judges, that you cannot coast to a victory no matter how far ahead you think you may be. He didn't let that happen against Berto, he stood in the fire, wanting to land his left hand followed by the right hook to the head which he was penalized a point for hitting behind Berto's head on 3 occasions. Ortiz refused to lose and came out from round 1 to round 12 with fire in his eyes. He took chances, got knocked down and fought like a man with something to prove.

    Ortiz played his version of his Redemption Song and he "Freed his mind" from what the media and fans had accused him of. This was a do or die fight for his career and he proved he has not only the physical tools to be one of the best welter weights in the world but that he has the mental toughness as well.
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    Exactly. Robert Garcia, eat your words now! Victor is hot property.

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      Originally posted by no-mass
      omg stop overhyping ortiz, dosnt change the fact he still quit. Why didnt he call out maidana in the post fight, yes he scared maidana took his soul. Watch ortiz quit again if he has the guts to face maidana, maidana would **** him again.
      Who's over hyping him? So you can call him a quitter against Maidana but can't give him the credit vs Berto?

      After the performance against Morales everyone is saying Maidana is overrated, was Berto overrated?

      Who would you say is a better fighter now, Berto or Maidana?

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        Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
        Who's over hyping him? So you can call him a quitter against Maidana but can't give him the credit vs Berto?

        After the performance against Morales everyone is saying Maidana is overrated, was Berto overrated?

        Who would you say is a better fighter now, Berto or Maidana?
        Thats right, haters won't stop hating. Its sad...why can't you JUST admit he fought well??

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          #5
          Originally posted by Pastrano
          Thats right, haters won't stop hating. Its sad...why can't you JUST admit he fought well??
          The funniest thing for me is how all of a sudden Berto is a bum.....amazing.

          Losing one fight doesn't make you a bum.
          Last edited by Cuauhtémoc1520; 04-18-2011, 02:01 PM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Pastrano
            Exactly. Robert Garcia, eat your words now! Victor is hot property.
            You think Garcia is bitter over this? I think Garcia didn't want to let Victor go because he knew the talent that kid had/has.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
              You think Garcia is bitter over this? I think Garcia didn't want to let Victor go because he knew the talent that kid had/has.
              it's deeper than that.

              and while this is a great win for Vic IMO the true measure is whether he can sustain this level of intensity. Now that he is the champ he is going to have everyone going after him and him being able to withstand and shine is going to be in the spotlight.

              and to be honest this has nothing to do with the Maidana fight. He fought a war with a guy most didn't know so to me that should be chalked up to experience

              but prior to him sucking it up with Berto he had very lackluster performances where I thought he should have shined. Campbell and Peterson should have been dominated but instead he let one off the hook and the other back in the fight.

              this is a great step for Vic but I want to see if this is sustained before I start calling him totally redeemed

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                #8
                Originally posted by Eaner0919
                it's deeper than that.

                and while this is a great win for Vic IMO the true measure is whether he can sustain this level of intensity. Now that he is the champ he is going to have everyone going after him and him being able to withstand and shine is going to be in the spotlight.

                and to be honest this has nothing to do with the Maidana fight. He fought a war with a guy most didn't know so to me that should be chalked up to experience

                but prior to him sucking it up with Berto he had very lackluster performances where I thought he should have shined. Campbell and Peterson should have been dominated but instead he let one off the hook and the other back in the fight.

                this is a great step for Vic but I want to see if this is sustained before I start calling him totally redeemed
                Very good points and I agree to a certain degree. I do think that very few people gave Ortiz a chance in this fight, let's be honest. This was a stepping stone for Berto to shine, get a better name under his belt and move on to wanting to fight with Pac.

                I think Ortiz is a sensitive kid, I really do. Garcia said recently that he didn't like to be yelled at and even walked out of one of his fights he was working with him because Ortiz got all sensitive on him.

                It's funny because Rios is all heart and has thick skin. Ortiz is a better skilled fighter but is delicate it seems.

                If we could combine the two we might have a ATG...lol

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eaner0919
                  it's deeper than that.

                  and while this is a great win for Vic IMO the true measure is whether he can sustain this level of intensity. Now that he is the champ he is going to have everyone going after him and him being able to withstand and shine is going to be in the spotlight.

                  and to be honest this has nothing to do with the Maidana fight. He fought a war with a guy most didn't know so to me that should be chalked up to experience

                  but prior to him sucking it up with Berto he had very lackluster performances where I thought he should have shined. Campbell and Peterson should have been dominated but instead he let one off the hook and the other back in the fight.

                  this is a great step for Vic but I want to see if this is sustained before I start calling him totally redeemed



                  for this fight fan, a measure of redemption was earned last Saturday


                  yes, he's going to have to sustain it but the type of grit that he showed in that fight was the most important thing in that performance


                  trading knockdowns, getting into a slugfest..it became a Maidana-like brawl and it showed some heart for him to keep wanting it


                  if deep down inside, there was a warrior in Victor, it finally showed up last Saturday and that measure of redemption AND confidence in himself is the biggest win, aside the title



                  great thread, C

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Eaner0919
                    it's deeper than that.

                    and while this is a great win for Vic IMO the true measure is whether he can sustain this level of intensity. Now that he is the champ he is going to have everyone going after him and him being able to withstand and shine is going to be in the spotlight.

                    and to be honest this has nothing to do with the Maidana fight. He fought a war with a guy most didn't know so to me that should be chalked up to experience

                    but prior to him sucking it up with Berto he had very lackluster performances where I thought he should have shined. Campbell and Peterson should have been dominated but instead he let one off the hook and the other back in the fight.

                    this is a great step for Vic but I want to see if this is sustained before I start calling him totally redeemed
                    Yea, I was thinking the same, I said to myself after Ortiz won "this was good, but can he keep this up??" It'll take a lot of commitment and work and focus. I think he should rematch Peterson, now that his fight has been cancelled. He has to redeem himself for that draw.

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