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I guess it depends on if you consider Ortiz that much better then Karass.
Which I do.
Ortiz by mid round TKO.
Which I do.
Ortiz by mid round TKO.
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Why?! Mike Jones would just get gassed out around the 4th round, like always, and then get KTFO by Ortiz....Comment
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I think Ortiz would beat him, but no way in hell GBP allows this fight to happen, too much risk and not enough reward.
GBP will protect him for a while, most of his career I think. They want to milk Ortiz. Look at how protected the paper champ Canelo is.Comment
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how in the hell is jones worser then berto?????
u guys are smoking crack.
ortiz doesn't like a jab in his face. look at the peterson fight, it threw him totally off......
i called the berto loss.
i will be calling the ortiz loss if he fights jones.
ortiz still has too many flaws.......
as "gambino" says.
"now ret@rds are putting ortiz on some kind of unrealstic pedestal after he beat berto"Last edited by americanbot; 04-17-2011, 04:35 PM.Comment
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hell yeah, make it happen! ortiz will take another fighter's 0
i deff think ortiz can stop him. jones is a good fighter, but i think ortiz will deff overwhelm him.Comment
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i don't get where people are now saying ortiz is the 3rd best welterweight......& would run through fighters like jones.
they are doing the same thing in which made me hate berto. OVERRATING him.
the simple truth is i don't even think that ortiz would know what to do with a guy like solomon let alone pac.
there are fighters in the welterweight division (even taking out pac) who would beat ortiz.
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i never said ortiz was the 3rd best. i got mad from his quote in the post presser where he said he wants the big names, i wished he would just try to fight natural WWs and get used to it...i was referring to jones and than solomon came out of nowhere...i saw that fight you posted, he's good. but he's never been hurt a lot or faced defeat. ortiz has a bit more experience imo (losing and coming back with a performance like he did last night, as well as having like 15 more pro fights then solomon), and hell of a lot more power...i don't see solomon beating ortiz. jones is an interesting match, but the way he fights, i think ortiz can take advantage of that and deff take a decision, if not stop him. it's not overrating ortiz, it's just he showed what he is capable of last night.Comment
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i mentioned solomon as to prove a point that there are multiple fighters at welterweight (that aren't named mayweather or pac) who in my opinion would give ortiz a hell of a fight.
jones, kelly, & solomon are guys that aren't known but in my opinion would at the very least give ortiz all he could handle. jones would beat ortiz. ortiz would have a punchers chance & nothing more. I always felt that jones would beat berto.......hell, collozo beat berto. I am glad that i don't have to deal with him anymore.
& your last point. this is why i said that solomon would beat ortiz.....foot speed. if you look at the peterson fight you will see that peterson was outboxing ortiz mostly because of his legs.....its a matter of styles. solomon also knows exactly what to do with ortiz on the inside. solomon is extremely fundamentally gifted & darts out & in like a cheater. i think it would look like peterson vs ortiz but at a much worser level for ortiz.......i already knew he was gonna beat berto I was one of the only ones to say it when the fight was being discussed. I knew it....because berto doesn't have any kind of committed game plan. he fights all over the place.......thats how callozo beat him.
my only point was let ortiz fight guys like solomon, jones, kelly, before we all speak of the pacs & mayweathers of the world.Last edited by americanbot; 04-17-2011, 06:46 PM.Comment
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I'm taking Mike Jones I think he has the stuff to beat either Ortiz or Berto whichever..Comment
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