List of fighters Pac should fought instead of Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Marg & Mosley?

[ADP02]

fought em all coming from big losses and at catch weight..why didnt he fight mosley when mosley rocked up to his gym? You know the time when freddie roach said you're too good of a fighter shane!!!! Yes now he's older and been beaten by mayweather..he's welcome now

Unless you were from outer space, everyone knew that Cotto was next(Arum guy). So if we knew, Roach knew a lot earlier than us. So Roach knew when he was telling Mosley that BUT Roach was interested!!!

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTHzlJ9FDVs

[Grandmarshall]

Pacquiao has four lineal belts at 112, 126, 130, and 140. All the rest are crap. That's still more lineal belts than anyone else and it's spanning seven modern weight classes which is awfully impressive.

If they really cared about his legacy they would fight JMM at 135 for that lineal belt and then Berto for the belt at 147. Six lineal belts would be a really really tough record to break.

Exactly, Pac has 4 titles in reality. But those lineal titles are more than anyone else in boxing history.

And it's funny you have guys here that are so called "boxing fans" think an ABC alphabet title is more important and legitimate than a lineal title, even if that lineal title didn't come with some corrupt organization's title on the night of the fight.

[edgarg]

Yall can hate all yall want on the Margarito fight but Pac banked $25mill+ and won a 8 division title which is something that WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN EVER.

Anyone who says they would turn down over $25mill+ and a historic accomplishment that has never and will never be done again before is a straight up liar and or moron.

I have checked Boxrec several times, and so far, have failed to find that Manny P. ever won a major (1 of the 4) title at 118 and 140. he fought Hatton at 140 for the IBO title, really never regarded as a world title.

Perhaps someone can solve the seeming discrepancy??

[edgarg]

Exactly, Pac has 4 titles in reality. But those lineal titles are more than anyone else in boxing history.

And it's funny you have guys here that are so called "boxing fans" think an ABC alphabet title is more important and legitimate than a lineal title, even if that lineal title didn't come with some corrupt organization's title on the night of the fight.

Manny P. according to Boxrec fought Hatton only for the IBO title, not a recognised major title. How does this make him the "lineal" 140 lb champion?

[Horvo]

Manny P. according to Boxrec fought Hatton only for the IBO title, not a recognised major title. How does this make him the "lineal" 140 lb champion?

I think you have to understand what the world "lineal" means.

Pac also has trinkets at 112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140, 147, and 154.

[Grandmarshall]

Manny P. according to Boxrec fought Hatton only for the IBO title, not a recognised major title. How does this make him the "lineal" 140 lb champion?

Pac doesn't have a "world" (WBC,IBF,WBO,WBA) title at 126 either or 140 but he's considered the lineal champ of the division back then when he beat MAB.

Lineal championship means "the man who beat the man at the division." You don't need a corrupt sanctioning body like the WBC,WBA,IBF,WBO to be recognized as the legit champ at the division. When you beat the recognized man at the division you're considered to the lineal champ.

Lineal Championship>Alphabet soup title

Fact.

[edgarg]

Pacquiao has four lineal belts at 112, 126, 130, and 140. All the rest are crap. That's still more lineal belts than anyone else and it's spanning seven modern weight classes which is awfully impressive.

If they really cared about his legacy they would fight JMM at 135 for that lineal belt and then Berto for the belt at 147. Six lineal belts would be a really really tough record to break.

I question his 140 lb lineal belt. He fought Hatton for the IBO belt, which was barely considered as a very minor unimportant title, just dragged out of the attic to make it seem like a Championship fight.

I am not denigrating Pannmy P."s achievements, but it seems to me that he is a 6 div champ not an 8 div champ as he never held any major titles at 118 and 140.

This according to Boxrec.

[edgarg]

Pac doesn't have a "world" (WBC,IBF,WBO,WBA) title at 126 either or 140 but he's considered the lineal champ of the division back then when he beat MAB.

Lineal championship means "the man who beat the man at the division." You don't need a corrupt sanctioning body like the WBC,WBA,IBF,WBO to be recognized as the legit champ at the division. When you beat the recognized man at the division you're considered to the lineal champ.

Lineal Championship>Alphabet soup title

Fact.

i regret to differ with you over the correct meaning of "Lineal" Champ. It means the LEGITIMATE descendant of the original holder of the title, passed from holder to holder. Where it becomes defunct, as in a retirement, the 2 top contenders are chosen to start a "new" line of descent.

Not "the man" of the division as you say. He can only succeed to lineality by defeating the LEGITIMATE occupier, not neccessarily "....the man............".

Like with the descent and legitimate succession with Royalty, from where the term came.

[daggum]

Manny P. according to Boxrec fought Hatton only for the IBO title, not a recognised major title. How does this make him the "lineal" 140 lb champion?

tszyu beat judah, hatton beat tzysu and pac beat hatton=lineal champion and along the way all the little trinket belts were stripped. a linear title is still a title and it's worth a hell of a lot more than a wbc, wba crap belt.

[Grandmarshall]

i regret to differ with you over the correct meaning of "Lineal" Champ. It means the LEGITIMATE descendant of the original holder of the title, passed from holder to holder. Where it becomes defunct, as in a retirement, the 2 top contenders are chosen to start a "new" line of descent.

Not "the man" of the division as you say. He can only succeed to lineality by defeating the LEGITIMATE occupier, not neccessarily "....the man............".

Like with the descent and legitimate succession with Royalty, from where the term came.

Pac beat Hatton who beat Tszyu who was the lineal champ. That's the line of succession right there. And I already do know that the lineal title in the absence that the champ retires or moves to another division is started by the top 2 contenders who wins that fight.

But you were saying that when Pac beat Hatton there was no "major" title on the line, so Pac was no champ. Myself and the other guy said Pac was a legit champ because he just just beat the lineal champ who was Hatton. Yeah you can say Pac wasn't champ at 140 if you count the corrupt ABC titles as only legit titles, which no hardcore boxing fan or historian really counts in this day and age.