If Ortiz Takes Berto's '0'....

[sdcluser]

no props?


i'm an Ortiz fan and am rootin for him...however, i remember NSB members having a fit after those performances


me personally, i'd like to see Berto's 0 go..in any fashion

i think the other fellow said correctly. did you think ortiz won 2ne half fighting like that against peterson? if you did not think he won, then there is no prop. if you think he did win, then there is prop. i am just hoping ortiz go in there with the right mental aspect and the other stuff will probably fall in the appropriate place. i want both sides ready as this is a huge dump on one of them if they lose in a bad fashion.

[lefthook2daliva]

...but does it by potshotting then running around for 12 rounds, would you guys give him props?

The poll questions are dishonest. Why don't you just declare Ortiz a f@g and have done with it?

[DLT]

a win is pretty much a win to me but there is no way he can beat Berto by pot shotting. He's not even good at it. He looks like crap when he tries to fight that way

[-MAKAVELLI-]

i think the other fellow said correctly. did you think ortiz won 2ne half fighting like that against peterson? if you did not think he won, then there is no prop. if you think he did win, then there is prop. i am just hoping ortiz go in there with the right mental aspect and the other stuff will probably fall in the appropriate place. i want both sides ready as this is a huge dump on one of them if they lose in a bad fashion.

my thing is, the one thing in question about Ortiz is his grit

the kid has the tools, he's got good handspeed...extremely accurate and as we've seen, elusiveness when he uses his feet


some expect/hope for vindication with a warrior like performance...those same people might provide backlash instead if he wins but in a not-so-warrior like outing

[mathed]

Berto is a punk who gets paid too much just to run his mouth and fight overmatched guys. I hope Ortiz catches him trying to jump in with a straight left to put Berto on his butt.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

The poll questions are dishonest. Why don't you just declare Ortiz a f@g and have done with it?

the **** you talkin about dishonest? they're simple answers to a question

[KING MEAT]

winning is winning.

duh...............

[$Bullsfam$]

You have to give him credit if he wins period but I don't think he'll win many fans. But I won't like it. I'm expecting a ****in war and somebody to go to sleep. I really don't care who wins. As long as one of these fools in on the ground sleeping or if Ortiz is crying.

I got big money on Ortiz so hopefully Berto goes to sleep at some point.

[welcometosaigon]

Ortiz landed TWO jabs against Lamont Peterson the entire night. He's not going to outbox anyone.

[sdcluser]

my thing is, the one thing in question about Ortiz is his grit

the kid has the tools, he's got good handspeed...extremely accurate and as we've seen, elusiveness when he uses his feet


some expect/hope for vindication with a warrior like performance...those same people might provide backlash instead if he wins but in a not-so-warrior like outing

He doesn't have to fight like an Aztec warrior in my mind for a win. Right mental attitude in a close (yet convincingly) win against a good opponent is a good vindication in itself. A boxer does not need to fight a style (just to please the fans) to win but needs adjustment depending on the opponent's style to maximize his chances of winning. Ortiz must think like the dude in the Art of War (at least in the fortune cookie level).