So Manny is ducking Martinez because of his size, what was Floyd's reason?

[Doctor_Tenma]

yeah, yeah, i know. just like hatton, cotto and mosley were slow and one-dimentional.

and don't forget that not only does he fight slow, one-dimentional fighters, they have to be weight drained as well. Plus, he has to take a-side meth AND he has to have his fights fixed.

you know, just to make sure.

Didn't say all that, at least admit that Martinez's athleticism and skills is why Pacquiao's team aren't confident in putting him in there with Sergio. Don't think Manny is scared either, I'm not of that belief that a fighter who's as elite/ as accomplished as Pacquiao is afraid of another human being

Just so you know.

[AFighter4U]

Didn't say all that, at least admit that Martinez's athleticism and skills is why Pacquiao's team aren't confident in putting him in there with Sergio. Don't think Manny is scared either, I'm not of that belief that a fighter who's as elite/ as accomplished as Pacquiao is afraid of another human being

Just so you know.

and are not marquez, hatton, cotto and mosley not skilled and athletic?

size matters man. lemme put it this way.

if you put two equally skilled fighters but with one fighter:

- having a 17 to 21 lbs weight advantage
- having a 2 1/2 inch height advantage
- having an 8 inch reach advantage


who do you think would win?


Pac already tried fighting a champion 17 lbs heavier than him and that was even at catchweight!

and in spite of winning, his hands were so swollen that he couldn't sign autographs AND he had to be hospitalized for severe body pains the very next day!

compare that to his fight with cotto wherein he hosted a concert the very night he won.

just looking at how much punishment his body took fighting margarito who barely dodged him and whom he simply OUTCLASSED, you could tell his body just cannot deal with that weight class. everyone has a limit and apparently for Pac its the 147 weight class.

[SPREAD]

Manny pretty much admitted that Martinez is too big for him. Floyd said in the post Mosley presser that Martinez could be considered, but that was millions of years ago. Why is this fight not happening? Wasn't Floyd coming back from retirement to take over the sport of boxing?

He's on vacation.

[Doctor_Tenma]

and are not marquez, hatton, cotto and mosley not skilled and athletic?

size matters man. lemme put it this way.

if you put two equally skilled fighters but with one fighter:

- having a 17 to 21 lbs weight advantage
- having a 2 1/2 inch height advantage
- having an 8 inch reach advantage


who do you think would win?


Pac already tried fighting a champion 17 lbs heavier than him and that was even at catchweight!

and in spite of winning, his hands were so swollen that he couldn't sign autographs AND he had to be hospitalized for severe body pains the very next day!

compare that to his fight with cotto wherein he hosted a concert the very night he won.

just looking at how much punishment his body took fighting margarito who barely dodged him and whom he simply OUTCLASSED, you could tell his body just cannot deal with that weight class. everyone has a limit and apparently for Pac its the 147 weight class.

That comes with the territory of boxing. I don't think anyone sees this as an easy task, just want Pacquiao to challenge himself, same goes for Floyd before I get hit with that.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Floyd, I'm sure, has lost a lot of fans because of his silence.

[AFighter4U]

That comes with the territory of boxing. I don't think anyone sees this as an easy task, just want Pacquiao to challenge himself, same goes for Floyd before I get hit with that.

there is challenging one's self and there is committing suicide.

Pac did challenge himself by going at the 154 lbs division at a catchweight of 150. He tried it, proved to himself that though he could win it, but the price was too much to pay in the form of severe damage to himself.

his camp already mentioned very shortly after that fight and weeks before martinez beat williams that they would stick to 147, since 154 is just too much for him.


the sad part in all of this is the fault of this ridiculous expectation on him lies on Pac himself. he made going up in weight look so easy that when he finally discovered his limits, people AUTOMATICALLY assume that he's ducking that weight class.

even martinez himself said Pac was too small for him (before he realized the money he could make fighting Pac and changed his mind)

Pac admitted that Martinez was too big for him. (what fighter do you know would be confident enough with himself to admit his limitations?)

its only people who aren't boxing themselves and have no idea of the risks involved who insist on these two fighting each other.

[V.WEBB]

Yeah and don't expect me to think otherwise, we all know what would happen if Martinez were slow/ one-dimensional.

It would be signed, sealed and delivered.