p4p the best southpaw that ever lived [pic]

[Phil Ivey]

Regardless of Pacquiao's recent catch weight title, it's still amazing how he moved up in weight and destroying boxers, couple of years ago when Manny was a super featherweight if someone said he would beat Marg at 150 and other welterweights they would of been laughed at. Certainly up there as one of the greatest southpaws.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Manny has a better legacy. Naz would've sparked him out at featherweight though.

[straightleft]

*7 division champ lol catchweight fights at 150 lbs for a VACANT belt against a non ranked fighter don't count.

And was pacquaio's welterweight title won by beating Miguel Cotto? at catchweight? I honestly don't remember.

Name any former flyweight champion who won world title at 140, even at 145, & 150. I give you all my points if you can mention even one.

[AL-MUQAWAMA]

LOL, I was expecting Pea.


Naz in his 126lb pomp KO's Pacquiao, though.


And I don't care which one of you little punkasses says otherwise.

[straightleft]

LOL, I was expecting Pea.


Naz in his 126lb pomp KO's Pacquiao, though.


And I don't care which one of you little punkasses says otherwise.

Maybe but the first time he fought a truly great fighter in Barrera he mentally folded and retired. Take note Pac is truly elite greater than Barrera. So I don't know.

[Forza]

pac @ 126 has nothing over naz. He would be slower and not as hard hitting. He would be out gunned. Now if he made naz go to 130 or 135 he would have an advantage.

[edgarg]

*7 division champ lol catchweight fights at 150 lbs for a VACANT belt against a non ranked fighter don't count.

And was pacquaio's welterweight title won by beating Miguel Cotto? at catchweight? I honestly don't remember.

I think that Cotto had to come in at 145, but I'm not certain.

[DLT]

Just because Pac is ATG right now at the higher weights, doesnt mean he was a scrub at the lower weights. Pac vs Naz at 126 is a shootout and I bet on Pac all day in that fight. Im not picking Naz against any elite fighter until I see him come close. MAB made him look far too bad

[edgarg]

pac @ 126 has nothing over naz. He would be slower and not as hard hitting. He would be out gunned. Now if he made naz go to 130 or 135 he would have an advantage.

Hamed was also rather small, and rarely if ever fought anyone smaller than himself. He wss a legit killer, when he stopped showing off and playing around in the ring. If he ever trained properly he possibly could have made bantam, or at least Junior Feather..

All the same I don't think he was the best all time southpaw. I believe that this may have been some early 20th century guy who had a couple of hundred fights whom we never hear
about. Like Lew Tendler, who fought, and beat some of, the greats, called by all the experts the best lightweight to never have been champion.

He had Benny Leonard actually out on his feet, and got conned out of the kO. Leonard used to tell the story how he was actually out, but conned Tendler enough to make him hesitate to finish it off.That fight was a whisker slim win for Leonard, decided by a slight majority of Newspapers.

He had somewhere close to about 180 fights and, although losing 11, they were mostly at the end of his career when he was fighting as a welter even only about 5'5-6", although a career lightweight for about 10 years. KO'd once by one of the Zivics the dirtiest fighters ever. Fritzie Zivic was famous for it.

He fought all time greats Micky Walker for the welterweight title less than a year after he'd fought Benny Leonard for the lightweight title.

That's the sort of fighter whom I think would be the greatest all time southpaw.


I used to read a lot about him when I was a kid.

[Ryannn]

8 division champ. EIGHT DIVISION CHAMP.


all those cats are so behind they can't even smell a fart from the greatest southpaw of all time.

that's why i say 4 weight lineal champ