Victor Ortiz or Andre Berto: Who has fought the better opposition?

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  • dans
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    #11
    It's amazing that Berto is losing this big. I voted for Ortiz, but I guess it speaks volumes about how people feel about Berto's competition.

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    • Doctor_Tenma
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      #12
      Originally posted by tito_bandito
      I think that Berto's controversy best win of collazo is similar to Ortiz' draw with Peterson which Ortiz looked more dominant than Berto did against Collazo. I think they faught similar opposition, but the fact that Berto is a world champ with that resume makes him look awful. I like Berto, but Cotto finished quintana in rd 5 and P.Will got it done in round 1. Shows you that Berto's power is slightly overrated as he's known for a deadly "upper cut" yet Alexander a 140 pounder was able to KO Urango with his own. Not to mention Ortiz dropped Maidana 3 times due to clear shots to the chin, so I give Ortiz the edge on power. Berto has speed and volume, but he leaves so many gaps open, and Ortiz will find them. That's why I got Ortiz KO'ing Berto in round 4. Berto was one of my favorite fighters to lol
      It was a great set up, that's all. Berto is still a much much better puncher than Alexander.

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      • Picazo
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        #13
        Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
        It was a great set up, that's all. Berto is still a much much better puncher than Alexander.
        Harder hitter yes, but better boxer nah.

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        • tito_bandito
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          #14
          Berto is going to get KO'd if he keeps fighting in that Ninja Turtle stance. That's how you get picked apart unless you're kick boxing.

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          • tito_bandito
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            #15
            For those giving Ortiz crap for not finishing Peterson do you think Berto could have pulled it off? Knowing that Lamont is a bit more slick than Collazo and faster?

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            • MXboxingfan
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              #16
              Originally posted by tito_bandito
              For those giving Ortiz crap for not finishing Peterson do you think Berto could have pulled it off? Knowing that Lamont is a bit more slick than Collazo and faster?
              Yes. Andre Berto would have finished Lamont Peterson off. Victor Ortiz not only failed to finish Lamont Peterson off, but also got a gift draw.

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              • Piper the Great
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                #17
                ortiz simply b/c he has beenfighting people in his wieghtclass. Berto needs an * or a WTF next to damn near alhis fights over thepast 3 years.

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                • MXboxingfan
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Piper the Great
                  ortiz simply b/c he has beenfighting people in his wieghtclass. Berto needs an * or a WTF next to damn near alhis fights over thepast 3 years.
                  Actually, Victor Ortiz did not fight shot Antonio Diaz at Diaz's weight class. He fought him at a catweight. Victor Ortiz also fought Roberto Arrieta, who is a super featherweight at light welterweight. He is also fighting Andre Berto at a catchweight instead of Berto's weight class. Additionally, Ortiz came in over weight on scales for the fight against Lamont Peterson.

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                  • Abraham Reyes
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                    #19
                    I voted for ortiz with that being said the guy is still going to quit like b!tch.

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                    • DTanc
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by dans
                      Ortiz has fought:
                      Lamont Peterson
                      Vivian Harris
                      Marcos Maidana
                      Nate Campbell
                      Antonio Diaz
                      Mike Arnaoutis

                      Berto has fought:
                      Carlos Quintana
                      Juan Urango
                      Luis Collazo
                      Steve Forbes
                      Mickey Rodriguez
                      David Estrada

                      I think it's close, which is surprising since Berto has been a champion for about 3 years.
                      I am surprised how many people picked Ortiz. I know we're all mad at Berto for his level of opposition since winning a belt, but Berto has definitely fought the better level of opposition. Ortiz lost to the best person on his list. Take away Peterson too since he technically had a draw with him (I thought Ortiz won). And I can't really give him much credit for Vivian Harris, I was pissed the commission let Harris fight someone like Victor at that point in his career.

                      Ortiz is left with Campbell Diaz & Arnaoutis. Berto's Collazo Urango & Quitanna are definitely better than that.

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