Comments Thread For: Haye: After Taking Away Wlad's Jab, The Bombs Will Fly!

[PinoyKiller]

You're hilarious - do you seriously think "the Klitschkos" is one person???? Haye isn't fighting "the Klitschkos" he is fighting Wlad. Solis didn't fight "the Klitschkos", he fought Vitali. And Wlad's and Vitali's styles could hardly be more different from each other.

And if you think a single round in which the only meaningful punch was landed by Vitali shows anything about Solis (other than the fact that his leg wasn't in shape) then you really are a fantasist. Gomez landed a few punches against Vitali and won a couple of rounds but he still got taken by the cleaners and knocked out. One round which was very close before Solis was legitimately knocked down tells you absolutely nothing about how the fight would have gone if he hadn't been injured on his way down. And it would have been a 10-8 round for Vitali even if Solis hadn't got injured.

Wlad does not chase and put pressure on fighters. He tee's off on them when they are in front of him. He will look bad VS Haye, whether he wins or loses, because Haye is simply smarter than other fighters, and will try not to get hit.

The main issue is, can Haye hit him or will he even try enough?

[Dave Rado]

You also agree that Solis landed punches and he got around that jab when he was landing those shots.Normally no one ever lands shots on the Klistchkos,people can not get past that jab.Solis showed how possible it is to get past that jab and that's the blue print to beating the Klistchkos.

Still posting about a mythical fighter called "the Klitschkos"?

Gomez had more success against Vitali than Solis did in the early rounds, and Johnson and even Sosnowski landed plenty of clean punches on him. But Haye isn't fighting Vitali, and nor is he fighting a mythical fighter called "the Klitschkos". He is fighting Wlad.

[Dave Rado]

Wlad does not chase and put pressure on fighters. He tee's off on them when they are in front of him. He will look bad VS Haye, whether he wins or loses, because Haye is simply smarter than other fighters, and will try not to get hit.

Wlad fights tall, his style is very similar to Lewis's. He doesn't need to chase people because he can keep them in range while fighting off the back foot.

Haye isn't that smart. He only beat Valuev by the narrowest of margins, and Valuev had already been beaten much more convincingly by Chagaev, and in most people's opinions by a 50 year old Holyfield as well. And his defence looked simply awful against Ruiz, whose last decent win was in 2004.

The main issue is, can Haye hit him or will he even try enough?

He'll try hard enough, after all his shit talking he has to. But I don't see him succeeding.

[PinoyKiller]

Wlad fights tall, his style is very similar to Lewis's. He doesn't need to chase people because he can keep them in range while fighting off the back foot.

Haye isn't that smart. He only beat Valuev by the narrowest of margins, and Valuev had already been beaten much more convincingly by Chagaev, and in most people's opinions by a 50 year old Holyfield as well. And his defence looked simply awful against Ruiz, whose last decent win was in 2004.



He'll try hard enough, after all his shit talking he has to. But I don't see him succeeding.

You do realise that Lewis got hit plenty.

Watch him VS Mercer. He got hit quite a bit.

Wlad does fight tall, but that's not why he is successful alone, he is strong and powerful, with decent speed, however he is simple to read IMO, but harder to execute a plan agaisnt him if you are slow, and flat footed. Haye is flat footed at times, yet his footwork, hand speed, and power are more than anyone Wlad has faced since his loss to Sanders. Chambers was OK, but simply was no threat and we all knew that.

When your advantages are not so great, then that is a true test.

Vitali has been the one who has faced the bigger punchers first, or at least baby sitting his brother after he loses. Wlad has been fighting more names, but he is protected by Vitali in terms of the punches.

Valuev is a difficult fighter to deal with, and Haye may have beaten him by the narrowest of margin because 2 or 3 punches were the difference in each round, he still won, with a very swollen hand from round 2. People that are anti Haye, pro Klitscko rarely mention his hand, which was clearly swollen post fight.



His defence did look aweful, and I feel that was because

1. Ruiz put on the pressure and has a better chin than Wlad
2. Haye didn't prepare that well for Ruiz, if you had seen how fat he looked 3 weeks before fight night... this video kinda shows a belly, but it looks far worse topless.
3. I hope you agree that Haye did hurt his hand, and also did not train that hard for Ruiz.

Well there is a pic of his belly somewhere which I can not find.

Haye relies on speed, and needs to train well.



I am not saying Wlad will lose, he is clearly the favourite, but Haye has a much better chance than anyone Wlad has faced recently.

[Jim Tom]

Still posting about a mythical fighter called "the Klitschkos"?

Gomez had more success against Vitali than Solis did in the early rounds, and Johnson and even Sosnowski landed plenty of clean punches on him. But Haye isn't fighting Vitali, and nor is he fighting a mythical fighter called "the Klitschkos". He is fighting Wlad.

How material is your comment to the whole arguement?

[PinoyKiller]

Also you can't blame people for saying Klitchko's.

1. They refuse to fight each other.
2. They also are having contracts of fight one or the other

Although by far, Vitali is my favourite.

[Dave Rado]

Chambers was OK, but simply was no threat and we all knew that.

The point about Chambers was that he wasn't able to land any clean punches, and he is almost as fast as Haye and has a better defence than Haye has. Wlad was able to negate Chambers' speed and movement with timing. And if Haye can't land, which Chambers couldn't, then the fact Haye has a lot more power than Chambers will be irrelevant.

Valuev is a difficult fighter to deal with, and Haye may have beaten him by the narrowest of margin because 2 or 3 punches were the difference in each round, he still won, with a very swollen hand from round 2. People that are anti Haye, pro Klitscko rarely mention his hand, which was clearly swollen post fight.

It was very swollen post-fight, but the claims that it was broken turned out to be false, and as for it being swollen from round 2, that is impossible to verify, and I am no longer willing to take Haye's unsupported word for anything.

Haye did not mention an injury to his trainer between rounds, so it's hard to believe it was bothering him that much; and nor did he noticeably change to being more focussed on throwing his left rather than his right after round 2.

At the time I tended to give Haye the benefit of the doubt, which you're still doing, but I've stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt now, because in four Heavyweight excursions so far, he has yet to really impress once, and always has some excuse or other for why he under-performed; and because his ducking during the past year, and his decision to fight Harrison in preference to Wlad a year ago, makes me think that he has a lot less confidence in his ability to win than he pretends to have.

I am not saying Wlad will lose, he is clearly the favourite, but Haye has a much better chance than anyone Wlad has faced recently.

If you took out the word "much" I'd agree with you. At the least he has enough power and speed to keep the fight interesting for as long as it lasts, plus after all his trash talking, he simply can't go into survival mode like so many of Wlad's opponents do when they find they can't get past his jab - he simply has to keep trying for the knock-out for as long as it lasts, however much pain that means he has to absorb. So it should be a more exciting fight to watch than Wlad's fights normally are.

[Dave Rado]

Also you can't blame people for saying Klitchko's.

1. They refuse to fight each other.
2. They also are having contracts of fight one or the other

Although by far, Vitali is my favourite.

Neither of those things have anything to do with the fact that they have completely different styles from each other, which means that it is silly to pretend that Solis's fight against Vitali had any relevance whatsoever to Haye's chances against Wlad.

[Dave Rado]

How material is your comment to the whole arguement?

Your whole argument was that Solis fought a fighter called "the Klitschkos" and that Haye will be fighting that fighter as well. But neither is true so your whole argument was meaningless.

[PinoyKiller]

The point about Chambers was that he wasn't able to land any clean punches, and he is almost as fast as Haye and has a better defence than Haye has. Wlad was able to negate Chambers' speed and movement with timing. And if Haye can't land, which Chambers couldn't, then the fact Haye has a lot more power than Chambers will be irrelevant.



It was very swollen post-fight, but the claims that it was broken turned out to be false, and as for it being swollen from round 2, that is impossible to verify, and I am no longer willing to take Haye's unsupported word for anything.

Haye did not mention an injury to his trainer between rounds, so it's hard to believe it was bothering him that much; and nor did he noticeably change to being more focussed on throwing his left rather than his right after round 2.

At the time I tended to give Haye the benefit of the doubt, which you're still doing, but I've stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt now, because in four Heavyweight excursions so far, he has yet to really impress once, and always has some excuse or other for why he under-performed; and because his ducking during the past year, and his decision to fight Harrison in preference to Wlad a year ago, makes me think that he has a lot less confidence in his ability to win than he pretends to have.



If you took out the word "much" I'd agree with you. At the least he has enough power and speed to keep the fight interesting for as long as it lasts, plus after all his trash talking, he simply can't go into survival mode like so many of Wlad's opponents do when they find they can't get past his jab - he simply has to keep trying for the knock-out for as long as it lasts, however much pain that means he has to absorb. So it should be a more exciting fight to watch than Wlad's fights normally are.

Did you hear Haye every second of that fight during ringside? Also many injuries are not mentioned by boxers. Manny got hurt by Margarito's punch in that 6th round, Pac didn't mention it.

Chambers is far too defensive and his speed is not explosive as Haye's. Chambers also has no power which meant Wlad had no respect.

Name me the most likely thing that can make Wlad respect you? It's power.

Now can Haye hit Wlad? indeed he can. Haye may have defensive issues, but deep down, he can hit anyone, because he is very athletic. The question is whther he goes for it or not.

Wlad has a very good jab, and Haye knows it. A boxer who uses a jab for timing, is a boxer who needs it. If Wlad can't use it for range and timing as much, then clearly his effectiveness is going to be less. Agree?

If Khan did not have respect for Maidana's power, then he would dominate them by going forward. Respect is earned and Haye will need to earn that respect.

Rahman had power, and he and Steward knew this and therefore were paitent. Rahman had no legs or game in that fight, he was clearly done before it and got a lucky KO when Lewis was not hungry and very unfit and unfocussed as well.

As for the hand, I did not mention a broken hand. The fact that it was swollen that much compared to the other to me shows it was injured. Punching with his power, and with a hurt hand is not good. Many fighter with power have hand troubles.

Haye admits that his performance VS Valuev was poor, and he never made any excuses for Ruiz. That was my own judgement, and I presume you saw a pic of him while fat just 3 week prior to that fight. Haye was impressive in it offensively, but also showed flaws. He won;t get away with it agaisnt Wlad, by by no means is Wlad that aggressive as Ruiz was. I also believe Wlad's chin is not as strong.

I believe that Haye's team know what to do to beat Wlad. That is to not let that jab take control or it's over, but they also know that Wlad can be quite jittery and wait that extra moment incase he is going to get hit. This is why Haye preferred Wlad, the guy who has a weaker chin, and has a more defensively minded style. They know Wlad breaks people down until the KO, while Vitali can land 1 punch, but also take a hell of a lot of punches even til this day.

Wlad under pressure and pain is a Wlad that struggles. Wlad struggled VS Samuel Peter after getting dropped many times. He won, but the KD, or straight up KO is always there for Haye, and I believe he does possess that power, speed, and explosiveness to do so.

If Haye does go all out, he will surely land, because Wlad has a good defense when in control, but when under pressure from a powerful guy, he backs straight up, and looks very uncomfortable.

I am not saying Haye will win, but his chances are very real, because his style is suited to Wlad more than Vitali. Haye likes to wait, and wait now, and find that opening. Wlad has poor stamina if he has a very high workrate like Haye, and thus he also has a patient style.

Vitali would be too much for both, his pressure alone will put both out of their comfort zone.

As for the Harrison fight, I believe Haye was not happy with what the Klit's offered the first time with 2 extra fight options. He also didn;t get that 50/50 split and went for a money UK fight, but also it allowed him to negotiate. He now has that 50/50 split, and a better deal.

Maybe I am bias, I do not know, but I certainly see a big difference in Haye VS anyone else out there other than the Klit's.