so is JMM-Pac 3 most likely the next fight

[-Kev-]

so would you accept pac if he fought the winner of berto-ortiz.. next if floyd does not fight him next

The winner of Ortiz-Berto vs the winner of Pacquiao-Mosley sounds good to me and I actually wanted Pacquiao-Berto over Pacquiao-Mosley. But you have to realize, Arum has alienated himself from co-promoting. He bashed Dibella, he's bashed Shaw, and he's bashed GBP. He's bashing every one, aside from Don King, I don't know what promoter will work with Top Rank/Bob Arum since they're so selfish.

[boxingking500]

you can criticize all of Pac's fights, post JMM-2 all you want

BUT YOU BETTER, you better criticze floyd's fight with spadafora, next... that is worse than any of pac's recent fights.. and you know it

[Ryannn]

De La Hoya looked like he had been stung by bees, against Steve Forbes at 150lbs.

except it was de la hoya who wanted the fight when people were asking him to fight margarito

Cotto looked very vulnerable against Clottey and some say the fight was either a draw or Clottey won, or Cotto barely won, but no one says that was a good performance by either fighter. They both showed lots of flaws.

Clottey had lost to Cotto, and like I said, showed flaws and it wasn't a good performance.

Margarito went the distance with a journeyman. Prior to that, didn't fight for more than a year, prior to that, got knocked the fuck out my Mosley.

Mosley fought to a draw with Mora, who then lost to Brian Vera. Prior to that, lost almost every round against Mayweather.

i don't get why he shouldn't get credit for those wins.

cotto lost to margarito
margarito lost to mosley
mosley lost to cotto
clottey lost to cotto.

they have been losing to each other

IMO

cotto- good-great win
clottey- ok win
margarito- meh
mosley- crap

[-Kev-]

i like how you and Kev ignore the fact that floyd forced JMM to move up 2 weight classes, and didn't even make the catchweight for the fight

but keep making excuses and avoiding.. thats what floyd and *****s do best

Marquez wanted to fight the best, he called Floyd out of retirement, he got his fight at 147. That was Marquez' chance of a lifetime, he fought the best, at the best's best weight class and he lost. If he won, he would have become a legend. Mayweather gave him that opportunity+ a pay check, just for a glorified tune up fight, then he signed to fight Mosley.

[-Kev-]

except it was de la hoya who wanted the fight when people were asking him to fight margarito



i don't get why he shouldn't get credit for those wins.

cotto lost to margarito
margarito lost to mosley
mosley lost to cotto
clottey lost to cotto.

they have been losing to each other

IMO

cotto- good-great win
clottey- ok win
margarito- meh
mosley- crap

Quit lying.

Yes: People wanted De La Hoya to fight Margarito. DLH promised the winner of Cotto-Margarito a fight, but didn't kept his promise.

No: De La Hoya did not call out Manny Pacquiao. You see man, why do you have to make things up like this? Freddie Roach was calling out DLH, saying he's shot, can't pull the trigger anymore, and Pacquiao can beat him at 147. De La Hoya accepted the fight and his excuse was, he wanted to get revenge for what Pacquiao did to him[agreeing to sign to GBP then signing to Top Rank]. Ultimately, DLH wanted a Mayweather rematch, that was the whole point of fighting Steve Forbes, to "emulate a Floyd like fighter". Names like Paul Williams were being throw out by DLH as possible opponents before he even accepted the Pac fight. Sorry you can't change history with me, I read "Comments Thread", don't come in here trying to change what happened, I have too good a memory for that shit. Nice try though.

[-Kev-]

Found it.


After reading the recent news that Oscar De La Hoya is considering WBO welterweight champ Paul "The Punisher" Williams as the opponent for his career finale on December 6 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205394

I don't have to make **** up like you ridiculous *******s do all day every day, changing recent history, thinking people will forget what happened before the DLH-Pac fight.

[Ryannn]

No: De La Hoya did not call out Manny Pacquiao. You see man, why do you have to make things up like this? Freddie Roach was calling out DLH, saying he's shot, can't pull the trigger anymore, and Pacquiao can beat him at 147. De La Hoya accepted the fight and his excuse was, he wanted to get revenge for what Pacquiao did to him[agreeing to sign to GBP then signing to Top Rank]. Ultimately, DLH wanted a Mayweather rematch, that was the whole point of fighting Steve Forbes, to "emulate a Floyd like fighter". Names like Paul Williams were being throw out by DLH as possible opponents before he even accepted the Pac fight. Sorry you can't change history with me, I read "Comments Thread", don't come in here trying to change what happened, I have too good a memory for that shit. Nice try though.

de la hoya was calling the shots, not pacquiao. don't try to make it as if pacquiao chose the de la hoya fight and de la hoya accepted cause pacquiao was the most lucrative fight for him at that point. he could have fought anyone but he chose the one which is supposed to be the least risky.

it was supposed to be an easy fight for oscar. the fight happened because oscar wanted it.

[Ryannn]

Found it.


After reading the recent news that Oscar De La Hoya is considering WBO welterweight champ Paul "The Punisher" Williams as the opponent for his career finale on December 6 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205394

I don't have to make **** up like you ridiculous *******s do all day every day, changing recent history, thinking people will forget what happened before the DLH-Pac fight.

which proves exactly my point. there were a few guys who could have fought oscar that were considered much riskier than pacquiao then.

you keep telling pacquiao cherry picked oscar cause they knew he would be shot.

that's ******, considering the fact that de la hoya was in the position to choose who he fights, not pacquiao

[straightleft]

Recently that's what Pac/Arum have been doing, obviously.

Out of DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, and Mosley, the only fighter in that list that actually looked good in his previous fight against a top fighter was Ricky Hatton with his win over Malignaggi.

After that:

De La Hoya looked like he had been stung by bees, against Steve Forbes at 150lbs.

Cotto looked very vulnerable against Clottey and some say the fight was either a draw or Clottey won, or Cotto barely won, but no one says that was a good performance by either fighter. They both showed lots of flaws.

Clottey had lost to Cotto, and like I said, showed flaws and it wasn't a good performance.

Margarito went the distance with a journeyman. Prior to that, didn't fight for more than a year, prior to that, got knocked the fuck out my Mosley.

Mosley fought to a draw with Mora, who then lost to Brian Vera. Prior to that, lost almost every round against Mayweather.

But then obviously you purposely didn't mention Pac was a former flyweight wth just one fight at lightweight and no prior fight experience at junior welterweight and welterweight whatsoever when he fought Hatton and Oscar. You also purposely didn't mention Pac moved 2 divisions above to fight Oscar and then moved down again to fight Hatton at 140 then moved up again to Cotto at 145, then moved up again to fight Clottey at 147 then moved up again to figh Margarito at 150 then moved down again to fight Mosley at 147 whlle except Oscar, all his opponents outweight him by 10-17 fight night. And you talk like this people are not elite welterweights and that they are some kind of a bums. And yet I'm 100% sure you are the first one will crucify Pac if he opted to fight Jones, Alvarado, Brook etc..all undefeated welterweights instead of Cotto, Clottey and Margarito. LOL!

[Seleção No. 13]

Am I the only one who thinks JMM will stay with Golden Boy and they won't offer him the Pacquiao fight? He seems to like that move judging from his recent interviews.