Floyd and Calzaghe: What if they lost a couple of early fights?

[dc3383]

Lets be honest for a second who really thinks Kotzu,Cotto or Margirito or Paul Williams would have beat Floyd if so explain how and I will debate back on how Floyd would have beaten them.

[Walt Liquor]

to be honest other than cotto theres not to many other people floyd didnt fight

margo lost to williams after challenging floyd

kosta lost to hatton while floyd was at 140

and joe basically cleaned out 168


so not sure who he avoided.....these 2 fought who they were suppose to fight..revisit history and you'll see everyone people claim they avoided 9 times outta 10 they eventually fought

c'mon larry. stop it. just stop it.

[Walt Liquor]

Lets be honest for a second who really thinks Kotzu,Cotto or Margirito or Paul Williams would have beat Floyd if so explain how and I will debate back on how Floyd would have beaten them.

floyd fantasy fights!!! yes, lets do more of those since we have no real fights!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[daggum]

if wifebeater and cokezaghe lost a couple fights earlier in their career, they'd still be fighting now trying to try to erase that loss by fighting the best fighters out there instead of fighting bums and overmatched opponents.

hopkins and armstrong lost their first pro fights and they fought into their 40s. if they were undefeated they would have retired long ago to protect their flimsy undefeated records. monzon lost 3 fights early on in his career but when he became champ he challenged himself. all 14 title defenses were against top 5 guys besides napoles who was the number 1 welterweight. if he was undefeated he would have fought a bunch of tocker pudwills.

[Kagami Taiga]

If I remember correctly Judah gave Baldomir the shot as a warm up for his fight with Mayweather which was already a done deal. Outside of Judah and a questionable win over Clottely who has Baldomir beaten?

Titles don't mean much these days, its the quality of your opposition that really matters

It was a barren wasteland, if you want a legacy you have to go where the top level competition is. Think Hearns at ww after the Leonard fight.

Not really, they would of been weight drained

If you look at his title defenses only one of them is against a decent opponent, Kessler.

u cant fault him for fighting baldo. he needed chips in order to negotiate an oscar match and baldo was lineal champ at ww. that was the right decision. he could have fought margs tho, no doubt. that would have been better than fighting judah at least. but going on to fight oscar made him blow up. and did he duck cotto??? kinda hard to argue he did or didnt. i dunno what was on his mind when he retired, but if he legitimately wanted to stop boxing, that was his right. the pac thing tho is the most inexcusable avoidance. we'll see wat happens.

[Walt Liquor]

Lets say that Calzaghe and Floyd lost a couple of fights when they were green contenders, do you think that would of allowed them to take more risks later in their careers? When you have been undefeated for a long time it can make you overly cautious about losing that 0 later in your career
Thoughts please?

green contenders?

I think we need to understand your definitions a little beter.

not sure of the point because either way, its weak. jocal took more risks later in his career, floyd was much riskier early in his career.

[daggum]

Lets be honest for a second who really thinks Kotzu,Cotto or Margirito or Paul Williams would have beat Floyd if so explain how and I will debate back on how Floyd would have beaten them.

why fight the best if you are just gonna win anyway? you are the definition of a great boxing fan.

[daggum]

u cant fault him for fighting baldo. he needed chips in order to negotiate an oscar match and baldo was lineal champ at ww. that was the right decision. he could have fought margs tho, no doubt. that would have been better than fighting judah at least. but going on to fight oscar made him blow up. and did he duck cotto??? kinda hard to argue he did or didnt. i dunno what was on his mind when he retired, but if he legitimately wanted to stop boxing, that was his right. the pac thing tho is the most inexcusable avoidance. we'll see wat happens.

wasn't being the number 1 p4p fighter in the sport enough chips?

he demanded a 10 million guarantee when his previous career high was 5 million. cotto was still at 140 at this time and fighting on hbo undercards. talk about pricing yourself out. when we factor this in with floyd making up a bunch of excuses and retiring when cotto moved up to 147 and the fight would have made huge money it looks pretty solid that he ducked him.

[Kagami Taiga]

wasn't being the number 1 p4p fighter in the sport enough chips?

he demanded a 10 million guarantee when his previous career high was 5 million. cotto was still at 140 at this time and fighting on hbo undercards. talk about pricing yourself out. when we factor this in with floyd making up a bunch of excuses and retiring when cotto moved up to 147 and the fight would have made huge money it looks pretty solid that he ducked him.

so??? he also demanded a fight with dlh. he went out and got it rite??? he wasnt just blowing hot air.

as far as the baldo thing, floyd went to get lineal and he got it. its a huge bargaining chip, p4p is make believe, lineal is real life. it sells fights. u cant compare the two.

[daggum]

so??? he also demanded a fight with dlh. he went out and got it rite??? he wasnt just blowing hot air.

as far as the baldo thing, floyd went to get lineal and he got it. its a huge bargaining chip, p4p is make believe, lineal is real life. it sells fights. u cant compare the two.

he didn't price himself out against hoya. he took short money. against cotto he priced himself out and demanded a sum that was nearly impossible to generate. then when cotto was at 147 he never wanted to make the fight even though it was a huge fight and would have made him lots of money. cotto lives too far away, he's not the CEO of his own company, retirement etc...

i'm pretty sure being the number 1 p4p fighter in the sport sells more tickets than being lineal otherwise why isn't zsolt erdei a ppv star? if zsolt was p4p number 1 you better believe people would pay attention.