Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Mosley: Tanada and Tapales To See Action

[DocG]

I just gave you some criteria my man. If you cannot go from there and deduce what it takes to be labeled an up and comer well I think that speaks more to you than to me

and why? when I say relatively young don't you think it's a little difficult for a guy like Laurente to be considered an up and comer considering he is at an age where most fighters are past their prime? Sergio Martinez is a rare exception and I have seen Laurente fight.....he is no Sergio Martinez.

and yes winning streak should play a part in this it's not like these guys are going against world beaters (with the exception of Abe Concepcion) and losing they are going against guys they SHOULD beat and yet still manage to find a way to lose. I say that would disqualify them from up and coming status

there is point to this discussion we are having a debate for which you have not brought one genuine opinion as to why you think any of those fighters are up and comers yet I have brought you several of my opinions as to why I disagree.

so again why do you think any of them are up and comers. Pick any of them and explain please.

and while Manny is the king of the world in boxing you really think this translates into finding talent? if so then guys like Frank Espinoza and Cameron Dunkin should never be in the business because they never fought. In the ring skills doesn't always translate into knowing what you are seeing when judging a prospect's merits.

I have been in this sport seriously since 2004 and suffice to say I have seen tons of prospects. Generally I have a good to great sense as to who is legit and who isn't. Talent wise only Abe Concepcion impressed me on that list and with his lackadaisical work ethic most knew he was wasted talent

Your criteria of being young and on a winning streaks lacks merits to be considered as up and coming.......What you see is different from what Pacman and MP promotion see of an up and coming fighter which is a "promising prospect" that has a "chance" to be a contender.....it is that "chance" that Pacman and MP promotion saw and gave them the opportunity to be known and intruduced in America in his undercard with MP promotion/...and Top Rank (exclude Elorde jr- Pacman just can't turn down a request from a family of an icon of Philippne boxing)

There are more up and coming and more promising prospects that are better then those Pinoy fighters you mentioned that are fighting in the Philippines and are not known in America, but sorry to say are not affiliated with MP promotions nor with Top Rank/Goldenboy.....

the bad part of it Donaire turn downed MP promotion in it's offer.....and if you understand Pinoy culture.....that is like unaccepting a handshake!

[DocG]

How the hell can you possibly justify that statement ?

FACT: Donaire's career has been stonewalled since Darchinyan.

FACT: Filipino's DO fight on Pac's undercard

FACT: One of those Filipino's was not named Nonito Donaire

FACT: Donaire is not happy with the way TR has handled his career

FACT: He has received no exposure whatsoever via Manny's undercards, and there could be no better way to promote Nonito to the Filipino people.

Clearly Manny does not give a **** about Filipino's unless there is something in it for him.

Why the hell would you try to make out that you are a Filipino boxing fan, and then back Bob Arum and MP on this one?

Manny's ***wit nut-hugging fan-boys

FACT: Donaire's career has been stonewalled since Darchinyan.
- Donaire's was injures early in his career with TR and was ducked by those title holders in the division

FACT: Filipino's DO fight on Pac's undercard
- Yes, Pinoy do fight on Pac's undercard, never in my statement do I deny that fact

FACT: One of those Filipino's was not named Nonito Donaire
- Yes, Donaire is not on Pac's undercard, never in my statement do I deny that fact, Donaire turn-downed Pacman and MP promotion' s offer...and if you understand Pinoy culture, that is like not accepting a handshake

FACT: Donaire is not happy with the way TR has handled his career
- Donaire was not happy only after he won against Montiel....he should have complained early in his career under TR

FACT: He has received no exposure whatsoever via Manny's undercards, and there could be no better way to promote Nonito to the Filipino people.
-Donaire is not affiliated with MP promotion. Again...Donaire turn-downed Pacman and MP promotion' s offer...and if you understand Pinoy culture, that is like not accepting a handshake! The better way for Donaire to be promoted and supported by the Filipino people is to know his culture and one of it is hate for arrogance... esp. american arrogance. BE HUMBLE NONITO!

Who are you to know what Manny gives a **** for???.....Stop that hatred!:****you:

[Eaner0919]

Your criteria of being young and on a winning streaks lacks merits to be considered as up and coming.......What you see is different from what Pacman and MP promotion see of an up and coming fighter which is a "promising prospect" that has a "chance" to be a contender.....it is that "chance" that Pacman and MP promotion saw and gave them the opportunity to be known and intruduced in America in his undercard with MP promotion/...and Top Rank (exclude Elorde jr- Pacman just can't turn down a request from a family of an icon of Philippne boxing)

There are more up and coming and more promising prospects that are better then those Pinoy fighters you mentioned that are fighting in the Philippines and are not known in America, but sorry to say are not affiliated with MP promotions nor with Top Rank/Goldenboy.....

the bad part of it Donaire turn downed MP promotion in it's offer.....and if you understand Pinoy culture.....that is like unaccepting a handshake!

you never answered a single question I asked

so let's start one more time. It was you who said that Manny or MPP put fighters that were up and coming on his undercards.

what I asked

who on that list is up and coming?
what makes them up and coming?

it's not real difficult

[DocG]

you never answered a single question I asked

so let's start one more time. It was you who said that Manny or MPP put fighters that were up and coming on his undercards.

what I asked

who on that list is up and coming?
what makes them up and coming?

it's not real difficult

Again! your definition of an up-and-coming fighter as young and on a winning streak lacks the criteria.....Pacman and MP promotions does not look at their age and winning streak as a factor but considers them "up and coming fighters" because they have a "promising potential" to be contenders for the title. Well some of them were/became contenders but lost like Conception, mepranum and Gabi. These Pinoy fighters were given a chance by Pacman because he saw the potential.

Michael Farenas-won 30 (KO 26) + lost 3 (KO 0) + drawn 3, considered then by Pacman and MP as up and coming fighter with the potential, fought in the undercard of Pacman with 2 lost early in his career, recent lost was at mexico

Dios Gabi-won 30 (KO 21) + lost 4 (KO 2) + D 1, notable loss was to Darchinyan & Mares by KO, fought in Pacmans undercard only because no other Pinoy promoter would take him after leaving ALA but lost.

Dennis Laurente-37 (KO 19) + lost 3 (KO 0) + D 5, known here as a tough fighter though old, but still was given a chance by Pacman. Won 2x in Pacmans undercard

Richie Mepranum-won 23 (KO 5) + lost 2 (KO 1) + D 1, considered then by Pacman and MP as up and coming fighter with the potential though with 1 lose by decision prior to being in the undercard but still was given a chance to be known in America. Recently lost by KO to Miranda in mexico. Won all 3 fights in Pacman's undercard

Abe Concepcion-won 28 (KO 15) + lost 4 (KO 1) + D 1, considered then with a promising potential when he fought in Pacman's undercard. won 3x in pacmans undercard. Won all 3 fights in Pacman's undercard

Eden "Dont Call Me Marvin" Sonsona- won 21 (KO 7) + lost 6 (KO 2)...lost 4x prior to being in the undercard, honestly I don't know what they saw in him....maybe just being affiliated with MP promotion but still was given a chance...up and coming or not he still won his 2 fights in Pacman's undercard

The Pinoy fighters who lost in Pacmans undercard are Gabi and Elorde. Elorde jr is not a promising fighter but Pacman just can't turn down a request from a family of an icon of Philippne boxing. Gabi was just given a chance to earn a decent pay coz no other Pinoy promoter would take him.

They are just a few Pinoy fighters affiliated with Pacman and his MP promotions which was started in 2006 after he KO'ed Morales the 1st time.

Maybe you should research first what does "up and coming" means???....then maybe we could agree on something

[Eaner0919]

not for nothing but anyone could have boxrec'd this stuff

I went off of what I actually saw in these fighters live and like I said short of Abe none of them really showed true potential to be an up and coming fighter.

and jsut for ****s and giggles

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/up-and-coming

up-and-com·ing- adj. Showing signs of advancement and ambitious development or promising continued or future success; enterprising

None of these fighters fits this description at all

[DocG]

not for nothing but anyone could have boxrec'd this stuff

I went off of what I actually saw in these fighters live and like I said short of Abe none of them really showed true potential to be an up and coming fighter.

and jsut for ****s and giggles

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/up-and-coming

up-and-com·ing- adj. Showing signs of advancement and ambitious development or promising continued or future success; enterprising

None of these fighters fits this description at all

As I have said.....your criteria is way different and lacks the main factor from what MP promotion and Pacman believes in....same thing as what is defined above(signs of advancement and ambitious development or promising continued or future success; enterprising). Where does it says "young and winning streak"?

Those fighters(some) were considered then by Pacman and MP promotions as "up and coming" when they were fighting in the undercard....that is before their recent defeat....your opinion is yours to keep although its different from what Pacman as a promoter of Pinoy fighters believe in

Till we debate again in other thread....

[Chuckguy]

so not true

short of the Clottey fight I have been to every Manny fight since the Barrera rematch and here is the list of "up and coming" Filipino fighters you tout

Michael Farenas
Dios Gabi
Dennis Laurente
Richie Mepranum
Abe Concepcion
Eden "Dont Call Me Marvin" Sonsona
and Flash Elorde Jr

so which one of these stellar fighters is even remotely on the level of being Donaire's jock sniffer?

step the **** off

damn bro get me a job I want to go to all these fights too
hahah