A lot of the hate directed towards Andre Berto is unwarranted

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  • Picazo
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    #21
    Originally posted by ZigZag
    It's very unwarranted, but people here are ******s. It has nothing to do with what they think is right, it's just whoever they have the man crush on the most. Anyone else they will hate on instead of being realistic.
    how is he deserving of his belt? who has he beat?

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      #22
      Originally posted by MARKBNLV
      i f he did not fight dark horses as you say how would they ever get there shot,i am a hardcore fan and i can count 100 fighters throughout the years that were desreving of the shot but did not get it,if this gfame was about pure talent there would not be the crop of champions you see today.
      Berto has been a champ for a while and if he wants to make a case for him of being one of the top guys in the sport and make the big money his opposition has to improve. I do agree that a lot of fighters that deserved a shot or be the champ have been denied over the years. But in Berto's case they are picking opponents at a lower level than him.

      There is nothing better in boxing than the under dog unknown fighter wins the big one

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      • Malius
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        #23
        IF the earthquake didn't happen, the boxing world would be different. But correct me if I am wrong Berto vs Mosley was scheduled before Mayweather vs Mosley.

        If Berto won that fight the boxing scene would be VERY different.

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        • Picazo
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          #24
          Originally posted by Malius
          IF the earthquake didn't happen, the boxing world would be different. But correct me if I am wrong Berto vs Mosley was scheduled before Mayweather vs Mosley.

          If Berto won that fight the boxing scene would be VERY different.
          your right about that...the boxing world would be different. berto would have been knocked out and the shane vs may fight would have been a unification fight.

          berto would have not beat the shane that fought floyd.

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          • Picazo
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            #25
            Originally posted by Picazo
            your right about that...the boxing world would be different. berto would have been knocked out and the shane vs may fight would have been a unification fight.

            berto would have not beat the shane that fought floyd.
            excuse me title fight...not unification.

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            • jnoon3225
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              #26
              Originally posted by timba
              It is seems to me that Berto is subject to a lot of unjust hate of this forum based on the opinion that he hasn't fought enough top fighters and gets paid millions by HBO to fight soft touches.

              I think this is an unfair assessment of Berto's career thus far. While he hasn't faced the quality of opposition that one would expect of a 27-0 boxer, it's not as if his record is devoid of top names. In his last 5 fights, Berto has fought and beaten Quintana, Urango, and Collazo, all of which are strong competitors at world level. Yes, his victory over Collazo is widely disputed, but we have to remember that Collazo isn't no joke. He has never lost a fight decisively except from Mosely, and a lone KO loss earlier in his career. Simply put, he is a tough fight for anyone at welterweight. Berto held his own, did what he had to do, and came away with the victory. Yes, be shouldn't be paid the millions he makes for fighting the likes of Hernandez, but that's HBO's fault and not his. I'm not going to hate on a guy for making money, and neither should you.

              I like Berto because he is a fast, skilled, powerful and sometimes entertaining fighter. I think we're going to see a lot from him in the next few years and he may surprise even the most hardened haters. Ortiz is going to be a difficult fight for Berto, a very difficult fight. Many people wrote Ortiz off after he quit against Maidana and limped to a draw against Peterson, but he still has the skills and power to beat anyone around his weight at world level. It's not going to be an easy fight for Berto by any stretch of the imagination. However, if he can get past Ortiz, huge fights against the likes of Khan, Bradley, Mayweather, and Pacquiao wait in the wings, and it's there where I feel we will see his best.
              I agree with you. I don't understand all the hate Berto gets. It's not his fault the ww division is in a cold war between Floyd and Pac. He could fight Mike Jones or Cintron but there honestly isnt really anyone else for him to fight. I like Berto. It is a shame that he didnt fight Mosley because i believe he would have beat him and then Floyd and Pac prob would not have wasted fights on him (I love Mosley but his wind is completely gone in his old age). Also, I like the Ortiz fight. People don't realize Ortiz will actually be the bigger man - he has been struggling to make 140 and he's taller than Berto. Ortiz is another guy that gets a lot of grief from ppl. I think Ortiz has some of the most beautiful fundamental punches - the hooks he dropped Maidana with were SICK.

              PS Ortiz did not limp to a D against Peterson. He won that fight pretty clearly IMO. He dropped him twice and he won probably 8 rounds.

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              • Boxing Scene
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                #27
                It's pretty clear he has been protected, but I'm looking forward to him stepping it up. I do think he'll lose against the top 147lb fighters though.

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                • llamas1
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                  #28
                  The whole boxing scene is pretty pathetic right now in terms of promoters protecting their fighters. Theres plenty of good fights out there at WW. Berto just hasnt fought any of them. It's time for him to get in with someone capable.

                  Ortiz is a good fight to prove himself. I respect Ortiz for climbing back from that KO and hope he dishes one out to Berto.

                  Thats what I love about Cotto.... He's gone into the fire many times....

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                  • jnoon3225
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Picazo
                    excuse me title fight...not unification.
                    Actually May/Mosley could have been a title fight regardless but Floyd didn't care about the title so he didnt pay the comission's fee to fight for it.

                    Also, Berto would have beat the Mosley that showed up against Floyd. Mosley was completely gased after the 3rd round. Shane is not beating any top welterweight anymore with that kind of stamina. Berto has brutal conditioning, is faster, just as strong, and more determined at this stage of his career. Mosley is sort of gun shy now and does not throw the head-body combinations that made him succesful years ago.

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                    • AllEyesOpen
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                      #30
                      I wouldn't call it hate so much as disappointment at the stall of his career due to the fact he hasn't been fighting top opposition.

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