VItali Klitschko: The Numbers

[edgarg]

@edgarg. no i am just saying that the klitschkos will win either way
either wladimir will win or vitali will get to become undisputed

haye is actually a blessing in disguise because it is the only way
vitali could become undisputed champion since vitali wont fight wladimir

If it was ME, I'd have said "to hell with Haye" and waited until he retired, and NOT give him the opportunity of making multimillions on MY name, just by getting into the ring with me.

To ME, that would be better than chasing him all over the airwaves, and being forced to give him a 50-50 deal in a hundred million dollar fiight, and letting him swagger around about it.

I could then have scooped up the WBA title by fighting the nearest qualified opponent.

[edgarg]

I like how the Klitschkos seem to gain a half inch to an inch every few years. By the time these mother****ers retire they'll be 6'10" according to their nuthuggers. On topic those are some impressive stats though.

WK came on the scene at 6'7" and VK was 6'8". It changes by about half an inch, depending on who is doing either the writing or the measuring. Most don't bother with measurements by now. It's a perfunctory part of the med exam, and the weight is public on a flat small platform scale with no head bar.

[lefthook2daliva]

That's an awfully long list.. must have used a scientific-calculator.... you remember those.

Tell you what....let's put this calculation theory to the test. I'll give you my calculator & i'll give you free reign to get all the unprecedented achievements for ANY one of the fighters that you Think has been better than him. Just go take a skim at your alltime great heavy list. I'm thinking you...... probably judging by your denial & hate of Vitali think there's at least 25-50 fighters in the history of the heavyweight division that have achieved more than him & dominated in better style. Go ahead list Joe Louis defenses.. MARCIANO' s 100% winning percentage... just make sure you can come up with 10 different things that they've only done.... you can use anything at all they've ONLY done as opposed to other fighters... perhaps Lewis' has the braids thing going...only one from CANADA/ENGLAND.... anything you can think of... put the calculator theory to the test..... i'm waiting...don't let me down!

1) I am not a Vitali Klitschko 'hater' (God, what a moronic expression...). I pick Vitali to win every time he fights. I would pick Vit by KO over his little bro. This is easily verifiable by searching my post history. Knock yourself out (pardon the pun) if you care to.

2) Why would I do something that I told you was a ****** thing to do?

[jimmy1569]

Klitschko fought like that against Lewis to put to bed the multimillion catcalls and stories about how he'd "chickened out" agaiinst Byrd. That's why he came "roaring" out in rd 1, and Lewis, who likes to cautiously poke away with his left, behind a slow-footed defence, was taken by surprise and HAD to fight back. THEN....Manny Steward began to tell him to keepp it up and Klitschko would collapse. he didn't properly understand that Klitschko was the VERY FIRST giant, who had STAMINA, as well as good coordination and footwork.

So Lewis was committed, and actually, couldn't get away from Klitschko, who was right on top of him in most of the fight..

If it wasn't for that imbecile doctor (who may have bet on Lewis) who said that "I told him to look up and his eyelid wouldn't work".

Of course that was only ONE of the doctor's excuses after the fight, he had a couple more, I recall.

None of which was valid. Any picture of Vitali Klitschko after the fight,, cuts and all, shows TWO BRIGHTLY GLARING ETES FULLY WIDE OPEN.

And...what what we ALWAYS forget, the eyebrow gash, was controlled, and had stropped bleeding by the 4th rd. His other 2 cuts and bruise under his left weye were merely cosmetic, and in NO WAY bothersome.

Remember Carmen Basilio's eye after the 15 rd'er against Robinson 2?? A dozen times worse than Klitschko..

All the ****** crappers, who know nothing about boxing talk of "eyes hanging out an cheeks etc" Klitschko was ROBBED of the title that night.

Just crappers.

I agree with most of this except for the dr. being on the payroll part. I think they were genuinely concerned for Vitali's health. I kind of disagree with the boxing rules. I think if a fight is half completed which it was & the referee doesn't stop it & both fighters fought there heart out..that it should go to the scorecards. It's like Klitschko's entire effort was shot down because of cosmetic problems. He won 2/3 of the fight.. landed 60% of all the punches in the fight..A fighter who's winning the fight at that stage should get the nod as he did more. It's an injury..he wasn't stopped by Lewis...was stopped on a matter of opinion as to the severity of the cuts he suffered by doctors at ringside.. he wasn't stopped by Lewis or the ref....those are the 2 people that were in the ring with him & most of the time..it's there doing during the rd that halts the bouts. Yes Vitali was robbed... he should've knocked Lewis out & had a few instances to do so but let Lewis off the hook..you can pin that on inexperience..showing too much respect for him as well. Lewis was ready to go in the 5th rd & Vitali didn't finish him.. The second rd should've been a TKO but Vitali let him off the hook as well. You can say the same about Lewis as he had a half blind VK begging to be put out of his misery & Lennox landing his best punches & couldn't do it.. Great epic war & now that Vitali IS NEARING Lennox's level in heavyweight annals..this fight will go down as probably the greatest battle between 2 alltime greats.

[jimmy1569]

They do if you just make them up. I want to know where he got the punch stats for all Vitali's fights from.

What stats are you talking about? Pick one out & I'll tell you.

[edgarg]

Well... obviously there's going to be scrubs that have Ko reputations built on all cans... ty fields of the world don't count. About half of Vitali's KO's has been against fighters who were ranked. Most of his early Ko's were against cans/journeymen...every all time great fights this type of competition in the begining. Not every alltime great knocked them all out..at least the first 27.

He beat some low-loss fighters too. He gave Timo Hoffmann his first loss when they were fighting for, I think, EBU Champ, and was also a huge guy about Klitschko's size. I think he was the first to go the distance with Klitschko, and it must have been Klitschko's first or second fight after the Byrd loss.

[Malicious]

Thanks for the comp/insult. I see you go both ways..... nothing wrong with that.

No insult intended, just an observation. I remember seeing on boxrec years ago Wlad listed at 6'5 1/2" and now all of a sudden he's 6'6 1/2" listed and given 6'7" by most posters? I actually thoroughly enjoyed your post which is why I green k'd you. Keep up the good work, it's posters like you who keep me coming back (albeit lurking mostly).

[jimmy1569]

WK came on the scene at 6'7" and VK was 6'8". It changes by about half an inch, depending on who is doing either the writing or the measuring. Most don't bother with measurements by now. It's a perfunctory part of the med exam, and the weight is public on a flat small platform scale with no head bar.

Funny..perhaps this is the stats he wants verication for. Usually Vitali is listed at 6ft 7 and a half...so yes sometimes you'll get 6ft 8 or 7 randomly.

[Rick Grimes]

What stats are you talking about? Pick one out & I'll tell you.

OK what were the punches landed/thrown for both fighters in the Gilberto Williamson fight. With link please.

:edit Scrap that, give me punch stats for his first 15 fights with links please.

[jimmy1569]

1) I am not a Vitali Klitschko 'hater' (God, what a moronic expression...). I pick Vitali to win every time he fights. I would pick Vit by KO over his little bro. This is easily verifiable by searching my post history. Knock yourself out (pardon the pun) if you care to.

2) Why would I do something that I told you was a ****** thing to do?

But why is it ****** when i'm compaRing him to every other heavyweight in history... I'm not comparing his numbers with journeyman/cans fringe contenders. I'm comparing what he's ONLY managed to achieve with every other prominent heavy that has set foot in the division..... It's ****** because that's an opinion of yours...... you Notice no one trying to refute what's actually inside that top 10 list.... because everyone knows it's factual.. so by calling the entire thing ****** & silly.... it's an out for you & the fact you refuse to refute the list & take the challenge i set forth..means that you're being biased & opinionated...my supposed calculations are all factual things Vitali hAS done... not making it up..if you think it's irrelevant as opposed to other ex champions in the division..then that's your peroggative. I think the list is more than telling.. it's NO coincidence that he's done all these things better than anyone else..he's that good..you guys will ONLY realize this when he's gone & you see that no one comes close to that type of dominance.