Astrologically: Berto Vs Ortiz is one sided and....

[Rassclot]

Dont neglect ascendant, if you have a Cancer ascendant most likely midheaven is Aries meaning you will make your bones fighting

interesting


Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey. both cancer ascendants.



i don't know about the modern astrology ignorance. they always write cancer signs off as weak, emotional and needy etc. when in reality they are probably the most violent and unrelenting signs.


Vitali, Tyson, Maidana, Froch, Holyfield, Canelo, Juanma, Wanderlei Silva, Jon Jones. etc all cancer dominants.

[mathed]

You have the Sun in Capricorn and Moon in Taurus. Those two signs are basically THE BEST signs for prizefighting.

Whitaker, Ali, Frazier, Patterson, Foreman, etc are all Capricorn Suns.

Taurus is great too: Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Joe Louis, etc all have their Suns there. Floyd Jr has his Moon in Taurus.

Your Mars is in Aquarius, a FIXED Air sign, which I consider a great Mars for boxing. Air signs are about objectivity and logic. Fixed Signs represent persistence, determination, and stubbornness.

"the mars placement is the placement of aggression, war, and battle. Back to mars, mars in air in my observation allows Floyd to “detach” from the fight and intellectualize and analyze on the fly. With that intellectual mars placement allows him to keep it cool in the face of danger and not waste energy or become rattled easily like someone with a water or fire mars."

SOmeone else with a Mars in Aquarius is Sugar Ray Leonard. You can see that Mars in Aquarius produces the smartest damn fighters in the sport when done right.

Are you naturally athletic or strong by any chance? You have MARS AND the Sun in the 1st house.

How do you feel about Floyd Jr's BOXING STYLE? Your Mars and his Mars are literally in the same spot. You both also have the Moon in Taurus.

That's funny, a lot of people tell me that I should have taken up boxing and I never quit at anything, no matter If it even slightly crosses my mind. I am pretty stubborn at times and I'm extremely logical in the things I do. I think Floyd's style is very good and that is why I hate him too because he could have done so much more than what he has done with his abilities.

Where did you get all this insight about this stuff as it seems to be really accurate. I don't like to fight but I really aggressive by nature and I've never lost a fight that I've been in. I only fight or have fought when the other person made it so that I could not avoid it by talking my way out of it.
I push myself past my limits when working out and can see when others are afraid or have self doubts.

Yeah, I'm naturally athletic and have been told that for my stature, I'm very strong. I'm not trying to brag by any means but this is what I've been told....I workout 5 days a week most weeks and run like 5 miles a day when i do run but lately, i've gotten into HIIT training routines Tabatta style for my conditioning...I like boxing over any other sport...it has always bee appealing to me. I like to analyze the styles of the fighters and think that it is an extremely technical sport.

[Dawerlzgreatest]

MArs and sun in the 1st add a Sun and Mars Aries dimension to you.

[Dawerlzgreatest]

interesting


Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey. both cancer ascendants.



i don't know about the modern astrology ignorance. they always write cancer signs off as weak, emotional and needy etc. when in reality they are probably the most violent and unrelenting signs.


Vitali, Tyson, Maidana, Froch, Holyfield, Canelo, Juanma, Wanderlei Silva, Jon Jones. etc all cancer dominants.

Water is the most insecure element, most murderers and murder victims are Scorpios, most prevalent sign in incarceration is Cancer, and most suicidal is Pisces.

holyfield being cancer dominant, not exactly. he does have strong water influence though. Cancer asc just means your moon is your chart ruler so your moon depository will take more prominence.

Cancers arent weak, theyre insecure with erratic spells of assertiveness and passiveness.

[mathed]

MArs and sun in the 1st add a Sun and Mars Aries dimension to you.

What does that mean? Where can I go to learn a bit more about Astrology? It seems to be pretty relevant and accurate.

[KnockUTheFukOut]

LISTEN TO THIS GUY!

Looking at his previous topics, ones which people was just overlooking them...he has been very accurate so far, he called that Pascal vs Hopkins fight almost like "Play by Play" before the fight: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=431563

this is interesting stuff IMO, try reading some of it before just blowing it off

[GrandpaBernard]

That's funny, a lot of people tell me that I should have taken up boxing and I never quit at anything, no matter If it even slightly crosses my mind. I am pretty stubborn at times and I'm extremely logical in the things I do. I think Floyd's style is very good and that is why I hate him too because he could have done so much more than what he has done with his abilities.

Yea, your Sun is in Capricorn and Moon in Taurus. Those two signs along with Virgo are Earth signs. Earth represents determination, perseverance, patience, stubbornness, etc, so that can explain how you developed into someone who finds it hard to quit at anything.

Good to know you have an affinity towards Floyd's boxing style. Each placement for a planet has 30 different degrees at where it can be placed. Floyd's Mars in Aquarius along with yours both happen to be at 11 degrees. By using what I saw with your Mars, I figured you have respect for Floyd's fighting style.

Where did you get all this insight about this stuff as it seems to be really accurate. I don't like to fight but I really aggressive by nature and I've never lost a fight that I've been in. I only fight or have fought when the other person made it so that I could not avoid it by talking my way out of it.
I push myself past my limits when working out and can see when others are afraid or have self doubts.

Yeah, I'm naturally athletic and have been told that for my stature, I'm very strong. I'm not trying to brag by any means but this is what I've been told....I workout 5 days a week most weeks and run like 5 miles a day when i do run but lately, i've gotten into HIIT training routines Tabatta style for my conditioning...

Having the Sun (which represents you, your ego, etc) and Mars (which represents your combative spirit) in the 1st house pointed towards you being an athletic person. I knew a few people with Mars in the 1st house. One kid wasn't aggressive or anything, but he was able to quickly grasp how to play almost any sport. The second person was this b*tch who you wouldn't think too much of, but she liked to get into fights. Her Mars happened to be in head first and trigger happy Aries.

I like boxing over any other sport...it has always bee appealing to me. I like to analyze the styles of the fighters and think that it is an extremely technical sport.

Not surprised. I consider boxing an EARTH sport, so it's easy to see why it attracted someone like you.

Analyzing and technicalities are Aquarius keywords. Your Mars is in Aquarius, so you like to study the sport for the actual science behind it. Pro fighters with Mars in Aquarius are Sugar Ray Leonard and Floyd, we can see these two analyze their opponents and surgically dissect them in the ring. They're what we can call "Sweet SCIENTISTS".

[Rassclot]

Water is the most insecure element, most murderers and murder victims are Scorpios, most prevalent sign in incarceration is Cancer, and most suicidal is Pisces.

holyfield being cancer dominant, not exactly. he does have strong water influence though. Cancer asc just means your moon is your chart ruler so your moon depository will take more prominence.

Cancers arent weak, theyre insecure with erratic spells of assertiveness and passiveness.

Btw where are you getting your crime statistics from? i would love to see it. i saw something about cancers and capricorns dominating the murder statistics.


what is considered a strong sign then?

I find it funny that Leo's for example is at home in sun but is definitely one of the worst influences in boxing. especially the leo/sun. leo mars incidently is great for boxing. so is leo ascendant. leo/sun is a huge disadvantage. i'd say it's jsut as bad as aquarius/sun. it is such a big flaw that I don't even have to look at the rest of the chart.


It's pretty interesting if you look at boxing historically. Leo's love to get KTFO.

Jermain Taylor. Paul Williams. Enzo Macarrelli.


past greats include, Michael Grant and Ken Norton.

[GrandpaBernard]

Btw where are you getting your crime statistics from? i would love to see it. i saw something about cancers and capricorns dominating the murder statistics.


what is considered a strong sign then?

I find it funny that Leo's for example is at home in sun but is definitely one of the worst influences in boxing. especially the leo/sun. leo mars incidently is great for boxing. so is leo ascendant. leo/sun is a huge disadvantage. i'd say it's jsut as bad as aquarius/sun. it is such a big flaw that I don't even have to look at the rest of the chart.


It's pretty interesting if you look at boxing historically. Leo's love to get KTFO.

Jermain Taylor. Paul Williams. Enzo Macarrelli.


past greats include, Michael Grant and Ken Norton.

Your homeboi Yuri Foreman and Mike Kastisdis too.

Here's what I found.

Fire for boxing is better as an ascendant than a Sun.

[Dawerlzgreatest]

There are no "strong" signs... they are all on axises , that bring balance to the opposite sign. Example, Scorpio is death, venus is love. Gemini is the scribe and conveyor for the Sagittarius ideas and philosophies. Cancer is what waters the dry soil of Capricorns etc . In other words they are all strong in different aspects.

Leos as far as fighters.. The problem is they underestimate competition especially if they're egos are inflated from winning a lot. They need coaches that bring them down to earth. coaches with squaring sun signs seem to be the best match.. So leos need a scorpio or taurus coach for example. Leo ascendant puts capricorn on the 6th and gemini in the 10th its good for anything that requires discipline and repitition. But Leo ascendant is the ascendant for accountants and money managers. My opinion is for boxing you need a good balance of mental body elements (air.earth) and passion elements( fire, water) Fire and Water are both unstable...

So for boxing a combination of fire and air, earth and water... Or Fire and earth / air water

A well aspected sun and mars, well aspected saturn, jupiter, pluto are vital.