Cotto wins a impressive win and harris gets jelous and starts hatin

[Tha Greatest]

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i think cotto will **** up harris

[DLT]

i think cotto will **** up harris

and what makes you think that? From the solid to very good level of opponents who Harris has faught, or from the tomato cans Cotto has faught

[PRboxingfan]

and what makes you think that? From the solid to very good level of opponents who Harris has faught, or from the tomato cans Cotto has faught

Harris has beat Urkal (twice) and Diobelys Hurtado (everyone else on there were tomato cans).

Cotto has beat
1. Sosa - who was a good step up, had gone 12 with PBF and Spadafora, and whom nobody thought would be KOd,
2. Demetrio Ceballos - a fighter who had fought Shane Mosley for the title at 135 and Randall Bailey for the title at 140 so he was definitly a contender,
3. Carlos Mausa - an undefeated fighter who TKO'd celebrated prospect Jeffrey Resto in his previous fight proving he was dangerous,
4. A very tough Lovemore N'Dou who had given Sharmba Mitchell all he could handle for 12 rounds and, in the eyes of many, won that fight,
5. Kelson Pinto - who many analysts thought would KO Cotto within 5 rounds, and
6. Randall Bailey - former 140 pound champ who, according to many, still had too much in him to lose to Cotto.

Cotto's competition has been solid. I'm not saying that Harris doesn't have the skills because he has proven that he does, but don't attack the competition Cotto has faced without admitting that Harris has only faced two recognized or "dangerous" fighters.

[WillieW]

Happy to answer.

What do you call Pinto if not a taller distance type fighter. Yes, Pinto did try to **** with Cotto (bad mistake) but he also used his jab and tried to box him from the outside. Pinto is a tall guy that dosen't fight like a tall guy. He likes to stoop low and **** like a short fighter...his downfall. In order for Vivian Harris to use his right effectively he will have to allow Cotto to come inside or he needs to close the distance. That is when Cotto will counter with his left hook. I can't see Harris taking the body punishment Cotto will put on him. Dead opposite, Harris wants Cotto outside and will try to pot-shot and clintch Cotto when he comes in. Harris gets his power from the leverage he gets on his right....at a distance.


Cotto isn't a one-punch fighter, either. He has power in both hands as he proved against Pinto and Bailey. Bailey had only been stopped once by Hurtado and that was from a perfect body punch (think Hopkins and DLH). Baily folds under opposition...every time he has stepped up. Its a good win for Cotto, but not that great. He got knocked down twice and was taking a beating before he quit against Cotto. Cotto can set up his left hook nicely with his right and with his jab plus Vivian hasn't fought someone with boxing skills like Cotto has. Have you ever seen Urkal fight? Very hard to beat style, slippery. I don't know anyone who would simply describe him as straight ahead. His wins are against people who come in and try to **** with him (straight ahead fighters) like Urkal and Hurtado. Hurtado is a very skilled fighter, and one who dosen't just come forward. His only downfall is that he is chinny, if it wasn't for that....he would be up there in the elite.However, he lost to Olivera who effectively used his jab and threw nice 3-4 punch combinations that Harris had no idea how to respond to them. Cotto puts his punches together so Harris better watch out.

You cannot compare Harris and Pinto. They are on different plains...skill and style wise. You are right, Cotto will have to get close to Harris to win....and he might. But Harris is going to make Cotto pay for it. It only takes a couple of mistakes from Cotto to lose this fight. But then, same with Harris.

I don't care who wins, I just want to see it.

[Mr. Violence]

...................posting glitch..pay no mind...but yeah cotto did whip some ass

[DLT]

Harris has beat Urkal (twice) and Diobelys Hurtado (everyone else on there were tomato cans).

Cotto has beat
1. Sosa - who was a good step up, had gone 12 with PBF and Spadafora, and whom nobody thought would be KOd,
2. Demetrio Ceballos - a fighter who had fought Shane Mosley for the title at 135 and Randall Bailey for the title at 140 so he was definitly a contender,
3. Carlos Mausa - an undefeated fighter who TKO'd celebrated prospect Jeffrey Resto in his previous fight proving he was dangerous,
4. A very tough Lovemore N'Dou who had given Sharmba Mitchell all he could handle for 12 rounds and, in the eyes of many, won that fight,
5. Kelson Pinto - who many analysts thought would KO Cotto within 5 rounds, and
6. Randall Bailey - former 140 pound champ who, according to many, still had too much in him to lose to Cotto.

Cotto's competition has been solid. I'm not saying that Harris doesn't have the skills because he has proven that he does, but don't attack the competition Cotto has faced without admitting that Harris has only faced two recognized or "dangerous" fighters.

Harris also beat Mbaye. You can try to boost Cotto's opponents up all you want but it wont work. The only two guys who were solid when Cotto faught them was N'Dou who we still dont know how good he reall is. He has a bunch of losses and could be considered a tough journeyman. The other is Sosa who was a lightweight. He was way to small for Cotto. Cotto didnt dominate him. He was doing well and scoring, but he was just way to small. He couldnt take Cotto's punches. If he was the same size he might wouldve beat him or if he wouldve faught smarter he wouldve had a better chance. He went toe to toe with Cotto like he thought that he was the bigger stronger man. I like Cotto and I thought the N'Dou win was a good one but I just think that he has went to far backwards with his opponents since then

[Mech.]

Harris also beat Mbaye. You can try to boost Cotto's opponents up all you want but it wont work. The only two guys who were solid when Cotto faught them was N'Dou who we still dont know how good he reall is. He has a bunch of losses and could be considered a tough journeyman. The other is Sosa who was a lightweight. He was way to small for Cotto. Cotto didnt dominate him. He was doing well and scoring, but he was just way to small. He couldnt take Cotto's punches. If he was the same size he might wouldve beat him or if he wouldve faught smarter he wouldve had a better chance. He went toe to toe with Cotto like he thought that he was the bigger stronger man. I like Cotto and I thought the N'Dou win was a good one but I just think that he has went to far backwards with his opponents since then

i gotta disagree If youre saying cotto stepped up with Ndou and then stepped back down with lesser fighters, youre admitting that Ndou was a good fighter (in my opinion he is, i think he can hold his own at least) but you said "we still dont know how good he reall is" and also I considered the fight against Pinto as cotto stepping up, now theres certainly a diffrence between pro and amateur, but this was still a guy who beat cotto twice in the amateurs, cotto came in and dominated, how is that not stepping up?

[DLT]

i gotta disagree If youre saying cotto stepped up with Ndou and then stepped back down with lesser fighters, youre admitting that Ndou was a good fighter (in my opinion he is, i think he can hold his own at least) but you said "we still dont know how good he reall is" and also I considered the fight against Pinto as cotto stepping up, now theres certainly a diffrence between pro and amateur, but this was still a guy who beat cotto twice in the amateurs, cotto came in and dominated, how is that not stepping up?

I still dont know how good N'Dou is but I think he's solid and I'll give Cotto the benefit of the doubt because he just lost a close fight to Mitchell (Even though I think Mitchell is also overated), but you guys have got to stop trying to boost up Pinto. If a guy you never heard of beat Hopkins in the amatuers, does that make it a step up. I heard one expert say that Pinto was the worst 25-0 (or whatever his record was) guy he's ever seen. Then he broke down Pinto's wins and most of them were against guys with losing records and like the last three guys he faught before Cotto had losing records and some only had like 8 fights.

[Mech.]

I still dont know how good N'Dou is but I think he's solid and I'll give Cotto the benefit of the doubt because he just lost a close fight to Mitchell (Even though I think Mitchell is also overated), but you guys have got to stop trying to boost up Pinto. If a guy you never heard of beat Hopkins in the amatuers, does that make it a step up. I heard one expert say that Pinto was the worst 25-0 (or whatever his record was) guy he's ever seen. Then he broke down Pinto's wins and most of them were against guys with losing records and like the last three guys he faught before Cotto had losing records and some only had like 8 fights.

I'm not boosting Pinto ( i hadnt heard of him before the fight either/though i heard commentators building him up as "promising" before he came into the fight and got defeated) but Im saying i consider that match Cotto stepping up, knowing that Pinto had previous defeated cotto and seeing how well cotto handled the fight, it cleared any doubts in my mind about Cotto, that dosent mean Im sure he can take a guy like Tzyu, but i do think its enough (in my mind) to say he stands a pretty good chance aginst Harris.

[PRboxingfan]

Pinto has a win over Emanuel Augustus whom many boxing fans know is no pushover. He might have 24 losses but he is still a dangerous and tough opponent to beat. Did anyone see his fights against Trujillo and Burton? Augustus totally dominated both fights (even though he got robbed against Burton).

Harris is still a solid player at 140, don't get me wrong, and I like him a lot but I don't see him beating Cotto, that's all. Also, saying Harris beat M'baye is like praising Gatti for beating Branco. M'Baye had never fought outside of Europe until he fought Harris and had not beat anyone ranked in the top 25.

I doubt this fight will come off as I see Cotto being brought along by Arum a little more. He will face Chop-Chop and then (assuming he wins) he will fight either Ricky Hatton or Sharmba (I don't think he'll mix it up with another title holder until at least the end of the year).

Ricky is the toughest fight for him yet but I'm confident that he can pull it out. After that, the confidence boost will carry him over any other opponent in the division. Ricky did good against Ray Oliveira (a known tough opponent who gave Harris his only blemish) but that doesn't mean he beats Harris. I'd pick Harris over Hatton because I haven't seen Ricky box (he is one dimensional, if you will).