Comments Thread For: Pacquiao, Arum To Discuss Marquez November Trilogy

[pasawayako]

1) YOU SAID: You shouldn't start, here is why....."It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".....

So why did you talk? I guess you wanted to show me how YOU can be a fool? Just asking ...



2)
ADP02: Just a few months ago you said that Manny is a coward for not wanting to fight Marquez.....


LEADUPPERCUT: No, I did not kid, I stated that Pacroid was a coward for demanding 147 - higher than when he fought for his ww title - and yet refusing to defend his title against a genuine JMW, any JMW.


ADP02 RESPONSE: So I was right, AGAIN that you called him a coward. Thanks for admitting it. Furthermore, you have also said on occasion that Manny would be a coward and not fight Marquez if Marquez accepts 147.

So you should have stayed silent, as you said above, right?




3)
ADP02: but now you are making excuses that Marquez is turning 38 and that this will not determine who is the best?

LEADUPPERCUT: Don't be so ******, even if the fight was held at 140, it would not determine "once-and-for-all" who was the best..... Marquez is a career-featherweight and will be 38yo.

ADP02 RESPONSE: Isn't it you who has been all over these boards wanting this fight? I told you that Marquez would get smoked if they fought but you countered that Manny is a coward. Now you are swaying more and more to Manny winning. First, you gave the advantage to Manny, due to the weight BUT now you are adding what I told you way back. That this is an old Marquez at 140+ has little chance .... SO STOP WITH THESE COWARD POSTS OF YOURS IF YOU SAY THAT MARQUEZ HAS A VERY SLIM TO NONE CHANCE!!!!

Oh, why you bringing up that Marquez is a career featherweight when he hasn't fought there in (4-5) years? Its not fair of Manny picking on Marquez? ....... Remember to point out next time that Marquez has been at 135+ since 2008

So you should have stayed silent, as you said above, right?




4)
LEADUPPERCUT: OK, firstly..... the b1tch-move catchweight demand was 2lbs under the divisional limit. You are referring to what Cotto weighed for Clottey, which is simply..... unintelligent. The weight restriction imposed upon Cotto was two pounds under the divisional limit.

ADP02 RESPONSE: AGAIN, Manny is now the WW Champ but you want him to come down 7lbs, because as you said, the limit for a WW champ is 147 NOT 146, NOT 145 and certainly NOT 140. If you can't accept Cotto coming down 2 lbs from the limit and post those points OVER AND OVER AGAIN, then are you not being hypocritical by asking a WW champ to come down 7lbs? "Manny may be able to make the weight BUT so was Cotto able to.
HYPOCRITE, that's all it is, man!!!

So you should have stayed silent, as you said above, right?




5)
LEADUPPERCUT: 1.) claiming to be a genuine JMW champion, and therefore a genuine 8-division titlist, but never actually fighting a genuine JMW opponent

ADP02 RESPONSE: I already told you what I think about this BUT Manny doesn't need to claim anything. Its in the books buddy ... BUT Manny tried and didn't think he can stay at 154 because 150 was already too much. What's your problem? You can see this with Marquez (not coming up to 147) but not with Manny?
You must be a hater!!! Manny can try again (154) but to call him a coward as you do, is nonsense.





6)
LEADUPPERCUT: 2) killing a fight by refusing to submit to random blood tests without a 24-day cutoff, then "apparently" agreeing to the tests via the media - after the fact - and then blaming the other guy

ADP02 RESPONSE: The other guy accused Manny of being a cheat then saying, "you still want to fight me under Floyd's new rules?" What did you expect? How is this being a hypocrite when its called negotiating? lol!





7)
LEADUPPERCUT: 3.) Calling yourself a P4P champion, then demanding a catchweight when you had already fought within that divisional limit

ADP02 RESPONSE: You forgot your response the other day that even Marquez would have beat that Oscar? You didn't even count it (legit) because of your twisted reasoning. Remember? lol ... That is what you call being hypocrite.

PLUS Manny ONLY WEIGHED 142 against Oscar and in his fight prior to Cotto, Manny weighed in at 138 ONLY (FIRST TIME AT THAT WEIGHT WHILE MARQUEZ HAS FOUGHT AT 135 since 2008)!!!! So lets see, you are calling a Manny,who was at 138 his prior fight, a coward for not fighting at 147 limit BUT now calling Manny, the 147 champ, again the coward for not coming down to 140??? For you, Manny must jump hoops or else he is a coward.
To repeat, you called a Manny, who came in at 138 (prior fight) a coward (oops I meant to say "b1tch-move catchweight") for NOT fighting Cotto at 147 ( you said, how dare Manny fight him at 145) But Marquez, a 135lb fighter, you see it entirely different and still call Manny a coward!!!!
AGAIN, that is what you call being hypocrite.


Also, going by your above statements, isn't Marquez also a P4P champ who wants Manny, the WW champ, at a catch-weight of 7 lbs below his WW limit? Oh, while it was a loss, Marquez even fits the part about already fighting at 147..... lol!





8)
LEADUPPERCUT: No I didn't, stop crying, I said that he cannot be given full credit for that accomplishment = go figure, you fkn genius - and that the catch-weight demand was a b1tch-move by pacroid to ATTEMPT to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

ADP02 RESPONSE: You must be the only guy saying that they tried to drain Cotto who previously came in at 146. 1lb difference...... BUT you are OK with Manny scraping off 4-5lbs of muscle just to make your day and get this fight on. Right? What's the difference you hypocrite and more importantly WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS FIGHT ANYWAYS WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY MAKING EXCUSES AS TO WHY MARQUEZ IS GOING TO LOSE?

Told you ya shoulda listened.....
"It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"..... lol!




9)
ADP02 : Marquez has had plenty of opportunity now to have come up to 140+ but he hasn't yet. That is NOT Manny's problem nor fault. Marquez is to blame for that.

LEADUPPERCUT: He doesn't want 140, he wants Manny, what is your problem ?

ADP02 RESPONSE: lol!!! Why? To begin with you wanted it to be "fair" but all Marquez should have done is prove he can even fight at 140 BECAUSE you and the other Manny haters will post that Manny was supposed to beat a 135lb OLD Marquez anyways ..... lol!



Like I have told you a long time ago, I like Marquez but THIS OLD Marquez will get smoked at 140+ and that is why I hoped Manny gets to fight someone else. You on the other hand have called Manny a coward constantly (YES, even at 147!!!) but now are making more and more excuses for Marquez ... SO, LIKE I SAID A WHILE BACK, WHAT's THE POINT NOW, especially, if you agree that it will mean nothing at this point if Manny beats Marquez?

.

Oh man, you're owning leaduppercut bigtime. Hahahaha

[LeadUppercut]

Marquez has never been successful above 140.

The aging Marquez was dropped and hit plenty by Michael Katsidis. Michael Katsidis.

Yup...the time is right for a third fight. Above 140, of course.

bump......

[LeadUppercut]

Oh man, you're owning leaduppercut bigtime. Hahahaha

*** me dude.

1 word.... how ?

Perhaps you should highlight your favorite part, or better yet, maybe read my reply to that dribble

You slaphead

1)YOU SAID: You shouldn't start, here is why....."It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".....

So why did you talk? I guess you wanted to show me how YOU can be a fool? Just asking ...


Well, I raised the question about whether you are a fool, your post answered that question, there is no doubt about that

Jeez dude, and you walked in with your eyes open.


2) ADP02 RESPONSE:So I was right, AGAIN that you called him a coward. Thanks for admitting it. Furthermore, you have also said on occasion that Manny would be a coward and not fight Marquez if Marquez accepts 147.

So you should have stayed silent, as you said above, right?


No kid. Your first sentence is correct, I have definitely called Manny a coward, for 7 different reasons actually. Ask me, and I will post them for you.

Secondly, nope, you are full-of-****, I have never said that "Manny would be a coward and not fight Marquez if Marquez accepts 147".....

So, you should have kept your mouth shut, because that "fool" label is starting to stick like **** to a blanket.


3)ADP02 RESPONSE:Isn't it you who has been all over these boards wanting this fight? I told you that Marquez would get smoked if they fought but you countered that Manny is a coward. Now you are swaying more and more to Manny winning. First, you gave the advantage to Manny, due to the weight BUT now you are adding what I told you way back. That this is an old Marquez at 140+ has little chance .... SO STOP WITH THESE COWARD POSTS OF YOURS IF YOU SAY THAT MARQUEZ HAS A VERY SLIM TO NONE CHANCE!!!!


Firstly..... Kid, it is extremely dishonest to make **** up, and it is also extremely dishonest to put words in people's mouths, I would suggest that you refrain from doing that if you want to retain any credibility.

I have stated on many occasions that I do not give a **** about the Pac/JMM fight unless it is held at 140. That is common knowledge dude, so stop making things up and twisting comments to suit your agenda.

Secondly, I have NEVER stated that I think Marquez can beat Manny at 140, EVER. So your absolutely dishonest assertion that I am "adding what I told you way back"..... is you trying to act like a grown-up instead of a dishonest lil kid.

If you doubt that, then surely you can manage to find an old post of mine contradicting that standpoint. And, good luck with that btw.

Stop making things up you dishonest clown.


Oh, why you bringing up that Marquez is a career featherweight when he hasn't fought there in (4-5) years? Its not fair of Manny picking on Marquez? ....... Remember to point out next time that Marquez has been at 135+ since 2008

So you should have stayed silent, as you said above, right?


You fkn moron, you are a Manny-hugger who knows absolutely nothing about boxing. A career [insert division here] means that the fighter fought in that particular division up until past-his-prime.

FACT: JMM fought at 126 until past-his-prime.

Many fighters stay within one division their entire career, that has nothing to do with "ability", that relates to body-type.

Was Marquez prime in 2008 kid ?

BTW, I will not charge you for that lesson, but if you waste much more of my time with your whining you may get a bill.



4)ADP02 RESPONSE:AGAIN, Manny is now the WW Champ but you want him to come down 7lbs, because as you said, the limit for a WW champ is 147 NOT 146, NOT 145 and certainly NOT 140. If you can't accept Cotto coming down 2 lbs from the limit and post those points OVER AND OVER AGAIN, then are you not being hypocritical by asking a WW champ to come down 7lbs? "Manny may be able to make the weight BUT so was Cotto able to. HYPOCRITE, that's all it is, man!!!

So you should have stayed silent, as you said above, right?


Kid, I am getting sick of having to wipe your arse.

About time you grew up and started wiping your own aint it ?

That entire whiney comment was based on the fact that according to you "Manny is a welterweight"..... well, you fool, according to Alex Ariza and Freddie Roach, Manny is a natural JWW who can easily make 140.

Read the link below, but before you do, give yourself an uppercut for being so ******..... actually, yet again, dishonest is a better adjective.

*** you come up with some whiney bull**** kid.

Post #106.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...443596&page=11

It starts "To all of the posters that know more about Manny's singing prowess than his boxing abilities", so, it is directed toward you personally.


5)ADP02 RESPONSE:I already told you what I think about this BUT Manny doesn't need to claim anything. Its in the books buddy ... BUT Manny tried and didn't think he can stay at 154 because 150 was already too much. What's your problem? You can see this with Marquez (not coming up to 147) but not with Manny? You must be a hater!!! Manny can try again but to call him a coward as you do, is nonsense.


what a gullible clown, falling for that crap. Manny NEVER intended to fight a genuine JMW, they just wanted to steal a vacant JMW title. You have zero credibility for buying into that **** dude.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/10...-pacman-fights


6)ADP02 RESPONSE: The other guy accused Manny of being a cheat then saying, "you still want to fight me under Floyd's new rules?" What did you expect? How is this being a hypocrite when its called negotiating? lol!


HUH?

I understood most of that other whiney rubbish you wrote, but I don't get that one. Enlighten me, this'll be fun, I bet your "point" has about as much validity as a used tampon.


7)ADP02 RESPONSE:You forgot your response the other day that even Marquez would have beat that Oscar? You didn't even count it (legit) because of your twisted reasoning. Remember? lol ... That is what you call being hypocrite.

PLUS Manny ONLY WEIGHED 142 against Oscar and in his fight prior to Cotto, Manny weighed in at 138 ONLY(FIRST TIME AT THAT WEIGHT WHILE MARQUEZ HAS FOUGHT AT 135 since 2008)!!!! So lets see, you are calling a Manny,who was at 138 his prior fight, a coward for not fighting at 147 limit BUT now calling Manny, the 147 champ, again the coward for not coming down to 140??? For you, Manny must jump hoops or else he is a coward. To repeat, you called a Manny, who came in at 138 (prior fight) a coward (oops I meant to say "b1tch-move catchweight") for NOT fighting Cotto at 147 ( you said, how dare Manny fight him at 145) But Marquez, a 135lb fighter, you see it entirely different and still call Manny a coward!!!!
AGAIN, that is what you call being hypocrite.

Also, going by your above statements, isn't Marquez also a P4P champ who wants Manny, the WW champ, at a catch-weight of 7 lbsbelow his WW limit? Oh, while it was a loss, Marquez even fits the part about already fighting at 147..... lol!


You are what I call a pig-ignorant fan-boy.

The catch-weight for Cotto was a b1tch-move, plain and simple.

FACT: JMM is a LW
FACT: Manny is a natural JWW and can easily make 140
FACT: You are a whiney b1tch


8)ADP02 RESPONSE:You must be the only guy saying that they tried to drain Cotto who previously came in at 146. 1lb difference...... BUT you are OK with Manny scraping off 4-5lbs of muscle just to make your day and get this fight on. Right? What's the difference you hypocrite and more importantly WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS FIGHT ANYWAYS WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY MAKING EXCUSES AS TO WHY MARQUEZ IS GOING TO LOSE? Told you ya shoulda listened.....
"It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"..... lol!


Oh come on kid, this site is FULL of posters who can see that the completely unnecessary catch-weight demand on Cotto was a low-life b1tch-move to attempt to drain him, because Manny had already fought at 147.

You have the standards of a $5 whore, and your hero is a cowardly cherry-picking b1tch.

Jeez dude, you bought up Cotto, and then attempted to throw around that "fool" word.

Ma dude, that "fool" label is starting to fit you like a glove.


9)ADP02 RESPONSE:[/B] lol!!! Why? To begin with you wanted it to be "fair" but all Marquez should have done is prove he can even fight at 140 BECAUSE you and the other Manny haters will post that Manny was supposed to beat a 135lb OLD Marquez anyways ..... lol!

Like I have told you a long time ago, I like Marquez but THIS OLD Marquez will get smoked at 140+ and that is why I hoped Manny gets to fight someone else. You on the other hand have called Manny a coward constantly (YES, even at 147!!!) but now are making more and more excuses for Marquez ... SO, LIKE I SAID A WHILE BACK, WHAT's THE POINT NOW, especially, if you agree that it will mean nothing at this point if Manny beats Marquez?


Of course it doesn't. Only a non-boxing fanboy like you could possibly think that a fight now at 147 with a 38yo Marquez is going to prove anything. In fact, that is a totally ignorant ***wit thing to say kid.

As I said, you were far better off keeping your mouth shut at the risk of looking like a fool (nut-hugging fanboy clown) than opening it and removing all doubt.

You win, doubt gone, point proven

[ADP02]

Oh man, you're owning leaduppercut bigtime. Hahahaha

Yup, and he doesn't even realize it. The problem is that he wants fairness when it comes to his fighter but constantly calls Manny a coward.

I'm just keeping it real!

[V.WEBB]

Wake me up when its all over.

[ADP02]

I actually read that entire dribbly post, but still have no idea what the hell your point was?

1)
LEADUPPERCUT I actually read that entire dribbly post, but still have no idea what the hell your
point was?

ADP02: If your problem is comprehension then I can't help you with that!




2)
LEADUPPERCUT : Secondly, nope, you are full-of-****, I have NEVER said that "Manny would be a coward and not fight Marquez if Marquez accepts 147".....

So, you should have kept your mouth shut, because that "fool" label is starting to stick like **** to a blanket.


ADP02: "NEVER" is a strong but precise word. Maybe you can't comprehend but here is one instance that I found very quickly!

Over here you clearly stated that Arum and Manny would be a coward and duck Marquez EVEN AT 147!!! SEE BELOW!!!
LEADUPPERCUT previous post:
snake Arum: "Manny, Bob here..... I just got a call from Marquez, you won't believe it, he agreed to fight us at 147. WTF are we gonna do now? "
paddy pac: "Quick Bob, ring Shane..... we can get him down to 142lbs"
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...+manny&page=28



and I should get an uppercut? You deserve one buddy!




3)
LEADUPPERCUT : I have NEVER stated that I think Marquez can beat Manny at 140, EVER...I have stated on many occasions that I do not give a **** about the Pac/JMM fight unless it is held at 140.

ADP02: You can't even read!!! If someone tells you "First, you gave the advantage to Manny, due to the weight .... ", does that mean I said what you said? Now go read what I said again!




4)
ADP02: Oh, why you bringing up that Marquez is a career featherweight when he hasn't fought there in (4-5) years? Its not fair of Manny picking on Marquez? ....... Remember to point out next time that Marquez has been at 135+ since 2008


LEADUPPERCUT: Responds with a lame EXCUSE ..... too long


ADP02 RESPONSE: comprehension problems again? You are using that "featherweight" as an EXCUSE BUT with Manny you totally avoid any concept of reality. Manny went up too to fight Oscar and Cotto but for you Manny was a coward then downgraded to b$tch move then back to coward for everything else? PLEASE!
Again, if Marquez does NOT belong at 140+, why are you continually asking for this fight? Why this lame excuse of career-featherweight?

I want Manny taking on the best available not another guy at the tail end of their career, aging, out of prime and has no shot at 140+ at this point, especially since he hasn't proved he can even fight there! Plus, if this fight happens, you will hear the other Manny haters say what I just said WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU ARE ALREADY USING FOR AN EXCUSE PRIOR TO THE FIGHT!!!!



5)
LEADUPPERCUT: "Manny is a welterweight?"..... well, you fool, according to Alex Ariza and Freddie Roach, Manny is a natural JWW who can easily make 140.
give yourself an uppercut for being so ******..... actually, yet again, dishonest is a better adjective.


ADP02 RESPONSE: First of all you are avoiding my point which was, if you expected Manny to come down 7lbs because it would be "fair", why you being a hypocrite for when Cotto went down 2lbs? Are they not both WW champs whose criteria is 147 limit? Hypocrite! So the question was not, could Manny but why not Cotto if you expect it from Manny? You can have an opinion (no problem) but to call that being a coward or b$tch move is nonsense, especially when you talk the way you do (fairness) about Marquez.


Second, for Manny to get down to 140, he would still be losing muscle. Would you want to see your guy lose 4-5lbs of muscle against a non-prime fighter who doesn't belong at 140+ when his next fight may be against Floyd? That to me would not be a good idea but that's me.

Third: I also came onto you admitting this: "I think that Manny is definitely a welter now. I am positive that he now carries more than 140lb of muscle."
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...z+manny&page=7



and I should get an uppercut? You deserve one buddy! Geez!




6)
ADP02: I already told you what I think about this BUT Manny doesn't need to claim anything. Its in the books buddy ... BUT Manny tried and didn't think he can stay at 154 because 150 was
already too much. What's your problem? You can see this with Marquez (not coming up to 147) but not with Manny? You must be a hater!!! Manny can try again but to call him a coward as you do, is nonsense.


LEADUPPERCUT: what a gullible clown, falling for that crap. Manny NEVER intended to fight a genuine JMW, they just wanted to steal a vacant JMW title. You have zero credibility for buying
into that **** dude.


ADP02 RESPONSE: First, you avoided my response. You see Marquez having that problem (147) but not Manny (154)? Open you eyes!!!

Second: I even remember you AGREEING with a poster on my point. So please look in the mirror when you say the words "gullible clown", "You have zero credibility" .... lol!

Third: Why you calling Manny a coward for not fighting at 154lb but want fairness for Marquez by having Manny, the WW champ, come down from 147lbs limit to 140lbs? lol!

Fourth: Manny needs to jump hoops for you .....You sir, are a hater!!!




7)
LEADUPPERCUT: You are what I call a pig-ignorant fan-boy. The catch-weight for Cotto was a b1tch-move, plain and simple.

FACT: JMM is a LW
FACT: Manny is a natural JWW and can easily make 140
FACT: You are a whiney b1tch


ADP02 RESPONSE: Like I thought, you avoided my response because you couldn't admit to your own words!
- You forgot your response the other day that even Marquez would have beat that Oscar? BUT today, you see things differently?
- Manny, who was at 138 his prior (to Cotto) fight?
- Manny, who only had 1 fight at 135?
- Manny, who you say beat a guy that even Marquez can beat in Oscar?


You are a hater because you want fairness for Marquez but call Manny a coward (now downgraded to b$tch move) for 2lbs against his first TRUE WW opponent in Cotto, right?




8)
Similar to Manny vs Cotto, what did you say when Marquez vs Floyd was at a catch-weight? Was that a B$tch move agreement or you going to make the non-title excuse? It was a payday? Just asking for your logic on this one.




9)
LEADUPPERCUT: Of course it doesn't. Only a non-boxing fanboy like you could possibly think that a fight now at 147 with a 38yo Marquez is going to prove anything. In fact, that is a totally ignorant ***wit thing to say kid.


ADP02 RESPONSE: What? Did you actually get my points? (SEE point #1 above - your problem)
I don't think fighting Marquez at 140+ is going to prove anything SO I DON'T WANT THAT FIGHT PERIOD but its YOU that wants this and its YOU that is calling Manny coward! Geez! Wake up and smell the coffee then give yourself a huge uppercut!




10)
YOUR childish statements such as "Manny is a COWARD":

A while back you made a statement in which others thought was good point. You thought that people who continually call boxers "COWARD" are childish. What happened to that LeadUpperCut? I think that version of you would be giving you a healthy dose of UPPERCUTs!!!

Here is YOUR comment:
"The..... " Mayweather is a coward " ..... bull****, is just childish."
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...ny#post8844502




I used your own words on many occasions to prove my point. So you better be looking in the mirror, AGAIN!!! So, you should have kept your mouth shut, because that "fool" label is starting to stick like **** to a blanket.


The problem is the way you criticize Manny but want fairness for your Marquez. If you would have called it both ways for both fighters, I would have had more respect for your words BUT YOU DON'T!!!! You didn't get my point before but I hope you get them now!!!

[LeadUppercut]

1) If your problem is comprehension then I can't help you with that!


1.) As I stated earlier, your dishonest whiney dribble does not require comprehension, "humor factor" is all that you have offered so far kid

2.) Correct, if comprehension was a problem, clearly, you would be of no help at all


2)"NEVER" is a strong but precise word. Maybe you can't comprehend but here is one instance that I found very quickly!

Over here you clearly stated that Arum and Manny would be a coward and duck Marquez EVEN AT 147!!! SEE BELOW!!!
"Manny, Bob here..... I just got a call from Marquez, you won't believe it, he agreed to fight us at 147. WTF are we gonna do now?"\
paddy pac:"Quick Bob, ring Shane..... we can get him down to 142lbs"

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...+manny&page=28


You dishonest little arsewipe. THAT POST WAS A FKN JOKE !!

I remember that, that was funny little ditty that I wrote in reply to a similar quote from Pullcounter.

CLEARLY, that comment was made tongue in cheek.

1.) You are a dishonest whiney b1tch

2.) Is that it, Is that all you got kid? You dredged up one - plainly obvious - tongue in cheek comment, and you are prepared to fly with that?

3.) Is there any chance that you could go find a comment made by me that is clearly not a joke, you dishonest b1tch?

4.) Grow up you dishonest whiney cvnt


3) You can't even read!!! If someone tells you " First, you gave the advantage to Manny, due to the weight .... ", does that mean I said what you said? Now go read what I said again!


You made both of those comments, you dishonest whiney b1tch.


4) comprehension problems again? You are using that "featherweight" as an EXCUSE BUT with Manny you totally avoid any concept of reality. Manny went up too to fight Oscar and Cotto but for you Manny was a coward then downgraded to b$tch move then back to coward for everything else? PLEASE! Again, if Marquez does NOT belong at 140+, why are you continually asking for this fight? Why this lame excuse of career-featherweight?

I want Manny taking on the best available not another guy at the tail end of their career, aging, out of prime and has no shot at 140+ at this point, especially since he hasn't proved he can even fight there! Plus, if this fight happens, you will hear the other Manny haters say what I just said WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU ARE ALREADY USING FOR AN EXCUSE PRIOR TO THE FIGHT!!!!

" excuse " ?

You fkn ******.....
FACT: Marquez is a career-featherweight.

You know absolutely nothing about boxing.

" continually asking for this fight " ?

Give yourself an uppercut ****head for attempting to throw my comprehension skills under a bus..... I clearly explained to you that I have absolutely no interest in that fight above 140, you even quoted that comment above

I made this post nearly a year ago, you linked to it above you ***wit.....

Yeah I know ?

I would rather see JMM/Katsidis than JMM/Manny anyways.

JMM is easily the best of the three..... but he is wayyy too small for Manny at 147, and he aint no spring chicken either.

I actually think Manny beats Marquez at 140 as well, and I can't see Pac ever going under 140.

I doubt that he even fights at 140 again.

Just more whiney dishonest bull**** from ADP, grow up kid.

How am I sure that you know absolutely nothing about boxing ?

By your complete and utter failure to even grasp the basics.

You are a dopey moron kid, for thinking that a fight between pacroid and a 38yo Marquez, at 147lbs, would settle anything between those two fighters.

The fact that - assuming he won - you would give Manny any credit at all for beating an old faded featherweight, makes you a pig-ignorant flag-waving ***wit.

I an nearly done with you cvnt.



5) First of all you are avoiding my point which was, if you expected Manny to come down 7lbs because it would be "fair", why you being a hypocrite for when Cotto went down 2lbs? Are they not both WW champs whose criteria is 147 limit? Hypocrite! So the question was not, could Manny but why not Cotto if you expect it from Manny? You can have an opinion (no problem) but to call that being a coward or b$tch move is nonsense, especially when you talk the way you do (fairness) about Marquez.


No he is not you dishonest ***wit. You are a clown kid, Ariza and Roach know much more than you about Manny. They both confirmed that Manny is a natural JWW, and can easily make 140. I posted you links confirming that, but your comprehension skills = that of a flea.


Second, for Manny to get down to 140, he would still be losing muscle. Would you want to see your guy lose 4-5lbs of muscle against a non-prime fighter who doesn't belong at 140+ when his next fight may be against Floyd? That to me would not be a good idea but that's me.


BULL**** you whiney dishonest b1tch. I posted you links confirming that Manny is a natural JWW, and that he had to eat 6 meals a day and 3am/6am shakes in order to remain at ww, because Ariza just cannot keep any weight on Manny when he is training.

When training for that fight, Manny "could eat anything on the table", and he weighed in at 144.

Give yourself an uppercut for being a dishonest b1tch, because I posted links confirming that as well.


Third I also came onto you admitting this:"I think that Manny is definitely a welter now. I am positive that he now carries more than 140lb of muscle."
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...z+manny&page=7


Yep, I would have thought that about a year ago. But Roach/Ariza's comments just prior to the Margarito fight clearly confirm otherwise.....
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports...t-middleweight
http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/...aining-program
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ible-physique/
http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/en...-inner-circle/
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=621958
http://ezinearticles.com/?Boxing-Rin...nce&id=2546429
http://www.pacquiaovsmargarito.net/w...ight-pacquiao/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ment-at-first/
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...o-inner-circle

Whiney dishonest b1tch, I have already posted those very same links


6)First, you avoided my response. You see Marquez having that problem (147) but not Manny (154)? Open you eyes!!!


Pick your standards up off the floor cvnt, pacroid held a JMW title.


Second: I even remember you AGREEING with a poster on my point. So please look in the mirror when you say the words "gullible clown", "You have zero credibility" .... lol!


Bull****, Link please, coz you are a dishonest whiney b1tch


ThirdWhy you calling Manny a coward for not fighting at 154lb but want fairness for Marquez by having Manny, the WW champ, come down from 147lbs limit to 140lbs? lol!


He is a natural JWW according to his coach and trainer. You are a fkn ****** for thinking that some flag-waving idiot kid (you) knows more about Manny than his Team. You just can't see that, because you know absolutely nothing about boxing and you have Manny's nuts in your mouth.


Fourth: Manny needs to jump hoops for you .....You sir, are a hater!!!


Hate is worthless, and can easily be discredited. Waiting.....




7)Like I thought, you avoided my response because you couldn't admit to your own words! You forgot your response the other day that even Marquez would have beat that Oscar? BUT today, you see things differently?
Manny, who was at 138 his prior (to Cotto) fight?
Manny, who only had 1 fight at 135?
Manny, who you say beat a guy that even Marquez can beat in Oscar?

You are a hater because you want fairness for Marquez but call Manny a coward (now downgraded to b$tch move) for 2lbs against his first TRUE WW opponent in Cotto, right?


You are absolutely correct on both accounts. The 145 demand for Cotto was a total gutless b1tch-move, because Manny had already fought at 147, because true P4P fighters will have no problem going up a division to reach for greatness without a catch-weight, and because Cotto said "147 if you want my title, or no-title if at catch-weight".

And you are also correct, even Marquez could have beaten the faded shrink-wrapped 145lb Hoya that Manny fought.


8) Similar to Manny vs Cotto, what did you say when Marquez vs Floyd was at a catch-weight? Was that a B$tch move agreement or you going to make the non-title excuse? It was a payday? Just asking for your logic on this one.


It was a b1tch-move by Mayflower to market that matchup as a competitive fight, and it was also a b1tch-move when he renegotiated the contract to buy his way out of the catch-weight. That was actually a double-b1tch move.

But that is not as bad as pacroid. Manny is a coward because according to Alex Ariza and Freddie Roach, Manny is a natural JWW and can easily make 140, whereas Mayflower is obviously a welter.

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Manny is a coward..........

9) What? Did you actually get my points? (SEE point #1 above - your problem) I don't think fighting Marquez at 140+ is going to prove anything SO I DON'T WANT THAT FIGHT PERIOD but its YOU that wants this and its YOU that is calling Manny coward! Geez! Wake up and smell the coffee then give yourself a huge uppercut!


****head, I have already told you ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS, that I have no interest in that fight unless it is held at 140.

But that coward pacroid aint gonna fight without an advantage.

Give yourself an uppercut clown-boy.


]I used your own words on many occasions to prove my point. So you better be looking in the mirror, AGAIN!!! So, you should have kept your mouth shut, because that "fool" label is starting to stick like **** to a blanket.


No you did not you dishonest whiney cvnt. You have either put words into my mouth, misquoted me, or used comments out of context, just the same old typical rubbish that I have come to expect from you. Did you not read my earlier advice?

ADP, you are attempting to reply to EVERY SINGLE COMMENT that I make.

The problem is, you have almost nothing of substance with which to reply.

So you are " filling up " your bullet-pointed highlights with any damn thing that comes to mind.

Rather than trying to swamp me with rubbish when attempting to reply to EVERY SINGLE COMMENT, just stick to valid points that are obvious.

Your attempts at justification come across like whiney excuses, because they are badly lacking in substance.

Concentrate on quality, rather than quantity.

You are a fkn idiot kid.


The problem is the way you criticize Manny but want fairness for your Marquez. If you would have called it both ways for both fighters, I would have had more respect for your words BUT YOU DON'T!!!! You didn't get my point before but I hope you get them now!!!


You ***go7. Pacroid is demanding that Marquez jump TWO DIVISIONS to welter, but he will not fight in his own division without a catch-weight or significant advantage, and at JMW, he will not fight anybody at all.

Huh ?

Oh, I forgot to address point number 10 ?

Damn, how silly of me, sorry about that.


"10) YOUR childish statements such as "Manny is a COWARD"

A while back you made a statement in which others thought was good point. You thought that people who continually call boxers "COWARD" are childish. What happened to that LeadUpperCut? I think that version of you would be giving you a healthy dose of UPPERCUTs!!!

Here is YOUR comment:"The..... " Mayweather is a coward " ..... bull****, is just childish."
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...ny#post8844502"


Correct, and I absolutely stand by that statement 100%.

It is absurd the way that the "coward card" is thrown around on this site.

I have had a number of "disagreements" with a number of posters on that subject

Very rarely is the word "coward" accurately applied to a particluar fighter. That is actually a bit of a misnomer if you think about it.

But that Pacquiao kid, man, what a fkn b1tch he is.

Why ?

I'll show you.....

1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW opponent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for being such a cherry-picker.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage
* And at JMW, Manny will not fight anybody at all

7.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

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*** off ADP, you are an idiot.....

I am done with you kid.

You incessant whiney excuses make you a joke, and your blatant dishonesty just makes you a whiney flag-waving little fan-boy.

I am not wasting anymore time with you clown-boy.

Dishonest people are the lowest form of human being.

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Marquez has never been successful above 140.

The aging Marquez was dropped and hit plenty by Michael Katsidis. Michael Katsidis.

Yup...the time is right for a third fight. Above 140, of course.

He showed his resilience by going back and beat him. Marquez will always give Pac problems but you like to down play every Pacs opponents, I bet if Pac fights someone else youll claim he ducked marquez?