Firstly, catch-weights are ****..... secondly, Cotto said "147, if you want my title", but they rail-roaded him into accepting the conditions. Like you pointed out "Pacquiao has all the leverage".
I am also " one of those guys who said ".....
" WHOAH !!
Hold on..... WTF Pac?
You are fighting a faded mediocre welterweight bum for a vacant title at JMW? ..... AND you want a catch-weight? ..... *** me, whats wrong with you man, thats getting the world handed to you on a silver platter, aint it?"
But, there ya go
Marquez is a lightweight..... and Pac is a natural junior welter who can easily make 140 according to both Alex Ariza and Freddie Roach.
So your basically saying If Marquez cant fight the champion at his normal weight, then dont fight at all. HAHA Checkmate.
JMM deserves the fight based on the history between the two. But it's kind of harder for me to get interested in it without seeing how JMM would do against the top guys at 140 at least like Khan and Bradley. If he would beat a guy like that, then I'd be more inclined to pay for the third fight believing he stood a chance. But Pac is just a beast at these higher weights and to me this fight is a forgone conclusion.
Just a few months ago you said that Manny is a coward for not wanting to fight Marquez but now you are making excuses that Marquez is turning 38 and that this will not determine who is the best? Make up your mind. When I said months ago, Marquez is getting old and Marquez has done nothing to prove that he can fight at 140+, you just continued with your cowardice stance of Manny.
You said, "That fight has GOT to happen at 140, or Pac is a b1tch".
It's funny that you have been complaining about Cotto coming down a whole 1lb but now you are OK with Manny coming down to 140 because "he can"????So could Cotto come down that 1lb but you lit every thread with your points calling Manny all kinds of names ..... that is hypocritical at its best.
You said, "that would be fair".
Again, Cotto coming down that 1lb, in the eyes of team Pacquiao made the "weight/size" difference between them fair considering that Manny being at WW was still questionable and that his last fight was at 140..... but you again lit up these boards like Manny committed a crime.
Marquez has had plenty of opportunity now to have come up to 140+ but he hasn't yet. That is NOT Manny's problem nor fault. Marquez is to blame for that.
NOTE: My comments are not about me wanting Marquez to fight at 147 or nothing because I told you many times that THIS Marquez gets smoked by THIS Manny at 140+. Marquez has done NOTHING to change that in the last year. I'm still laughing at you now opening up your eyes and saying, poor Marquez is turning 38, its not the same,..... I HAD BEEN SAYING THAT FOR MANY MONTHS NOW BUT YOU COULDN'T GET YOURSELF TO AGREE WITH ME ..... you are finally seeing the light, nice to see!!!
and they were saying
"PBF showed Pac how to beat Marquez"
And they even concluded the outcome of the future fight between PBF vs Pac by using the same argument how PBF won against Marquez.
and now Pac wants to show them what he can do against Marquez at 144 and now they crying foul
what the f*** you are talking about legit 147lbs. motherf***** always comes at 144 even when he fought margacheato dont try to defend your god let marquez come at 140 and dont start making excuses
Marquez deserves a trilogy. It should happened sooner than this. I don't think Marquez will win this one. This fight should either be at 140 or a catch weight though.
okay, but what was marquez's weight the day before at the weigh ins? how many pounds did he put on the next day? if he comes in at 144, im certain he'll put on some pounds...either way, jmm is screwed. pac's camp aint going down to 140, which is bs cause they got big off of other fighters doing what they wanted, but it is what it is, his camp is full of scumbags....so jmm just has to cash in and hang em up...
People act like this isn't commonly done in boxing. The draw which is Pacquiao dictate the terms. Mayweather does this Oscar dis this. The draw and the cash cow alwayss dictates the terms, and thats one of the reasons we will never get Pac vs. Mayweather because neither want to give into the other.
I like both fighters but if Marquez wants this fight he will have to fight at 147, Many doesn't have to compromise to Marquez, as Marquez wouldn't if the tables were turned. Marquez is really in no position to negotiate if he wants the fight to happen.
ah,you mean the same way pacquioa fought cotto at cotto's weight of 147? he made cotto come down
Cotto didn't have to agree to those terms, he just knew he wouldn't make that much money fighting anyone else. I like Cotto as a fighter but no one forced him to accept those terms. He accepted them so there should be no complaint. He came down a couple pounds. It wouldn't have mattered what he weighed the outcome would not have changed
Cotto has himself to blame for accepting those terms. Marquez doesn't have to accept the terms, he just cant expect to get the fight. Marquez also isn't as marketable and as big a name as Cotto to demand Pacqiao come down 7lbs. and expect this fight to happen.
"It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".....
But, I have seen you before, so go..... knock yourself out.
Just a few months ago you said that Manny is a coward for not wanting to fight Marquez.....
No, I did not kid, I stated that Pacroid was a coward for demanding 147 - higher than when he fought for his ww title - and yet refusing to defend his title against a genuine JMW, any JMW.
but now you are making excuses that Marquez is turning 38 and that this will not determine who is the best?
Don't be so ******, even if the fight was held at 140, it would not determine "once-and-for-all" who was the best..... Marquez is a career-featherweight and will be 38yo.
An immediate rematch at 130 would have been close, but not now at 147.
Surely you must know that, if not, then why are you here arguing ?
When I said months ago, Marquez is getting old and Marquez has done nothing to prove that he can fight at 140+, you just continued with your cowardice stance of Manny.
If the cap fits.....
You said, "That fight has GOT to happen at 140, or Pac is a b1tch".
It's funny that you have been complaining about Cotto coming down a whole 1lb but now you are OK with Manny coming down to 140 because "he can"???? So could Cotto come down that 1lb but you lit every thread with your points calling Manny all kinds of names ..... that is hypocritical at its best.
OK, firstly..... the b1tch-move catchweight demand was 2lbs under the divisional limit. You are referring to what Cotto weighed for Clottey, which is simply..... unintelligent. The weight restriction imposed upon Cotto was two pounds under the divisional limit.
Now..... " hypocritical " ?
No, hypocritical would be.....
1.) claiming to be a genuine JMW champion, and therefore a genuine 8-division titlist, but never actually fighting a genuine JMW opponent
2.) killing a fight by refusing to submit to random blood tests without a 24-day cutoff, then "apparently" agreeing to the tests via the media - after the fact - and then blaming the other guy
3.) Calling yourself a P4P champion, then demanding a catchweight when you had already fought within that divisional limit.
4.) Refusing to fight the old holder of your title, citing that it is "not fair"..... then demanding that a LW jump TWO DIVISIONS to welter.
Kid, those are examples of a hypocrite.
You said, "that would be fair".
Again, Cotto coming down that 1lb, in the eyes of team Pacquiao made the "weight/size" difference between them fair considering that Manny being at WW was still questionable and that his last fight was at 140..... but you again lit up these boards like Manny committed a crime.
No I didn't, stop crying, I said that he cannot be given full credit for that accomplishment = go figure, you fkn genius - and that the catch-weight demand was a b1tch-move by pacroid to ATTEMPT to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.
So get your facts straight.
Son, that is at least the fifth correction that I have had to make to your very short post
Told you ya shoulda listened.....
"It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".....
Marquez has had plenty of opportunity now to have come up to 140+ but he hasn't yet. That is NOT Manny's problem nor fault. Marquez is to blame for that.
He doesn't want 140, he wants Manny, what is your problem ?
"NOTE: My comments are not about me wanting Marquez to fight at 147 or nothing because I told you many times that THIS Marquez gets smoked by THIS Manny at 140+. Marquez has done NOTHING to change that in the last year. I'm still laughing at you now opening up your eyes and saying, poor Marquez is turning 38, its not the same,..... I HAD BEEN SAYING THAT FOR MANY MONTHS NOW BUT YOU COULDN'T GET YOURSELF TO AGREE WITH ME ..... you are finally seeing the light, nice to see!!!"
Nope, your comments were mostly made up of the same old whiney inconsequential dribble.
The bottom line is, that fight should be at 140.....
1.) Because Marquez is a lightweight, and largely ineffective above 135
2.) Because it would be better for boxing
3.) Because it would be a fairer fight
4.) Because it would better for Manny's legacy
5.) Because Manny would still be the red-hot favorite
And it is shameful that Team Pacquiao - YET AGAIN - just "want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis"..... just like it says here..... http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...friday-mailbag
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