Floyd Mayweather vs mma fighters...Does he have the boxing style???

[Larry the boss]

if youre a boxer, you have a better chance at winning in mma match if youre a big puncher...floyd is far from that, thus he aint got no chance...

floyds strikes would be more effective than a mma fighters..thats common sense..its not the striking that would bother him

[Steak]

if youre a boxer, you have a better chance at winning in mma match if youre a big puncher...floyd is far from that, thus he aint got no chance...

incredibly untrue. without big gloves seemingly 'light punches' do WAY more damage, especially when talking about flash KOs and facial damage. also MMA fighters tend to lead with momentum often, most notably when going for the takedown, so their own momentum+the velocity of the punch makes that 'light' punch very power, especially if it lands on the chin.

I know from experience. I decided to spar at an mma club with their light gloves on instead of the usual 16oz and 18oz ones, and threw a grand total of 3 punches, two right hands and a left hook, and injured two guys with those three punches. someones lip was busted and someone's teeth get messed up. was very unexpected.

point is...small gloves=more damage.

[deuce_drop]

Good post!

But I am wondering about the bare knuckle stance your describing... Is it similare to ricardo lopez and his stance/form, keeping hands up,active footwork,chin tucked...

no, not really, although lopez's was close, his was more modern boxing.

the stance is weight on the back foot, heel ****ed, so weight is on ball of the foot, ankle locked in tight, lead hand out a bit with the elbow settling around near the waist, with the rear hand up by the face/jaw.

you deflect with the lead, punch with the right, the jabs are amazingly effective from that stance once you've gotten comfortable with it, but they're different jabs than modern boxing. also swings, which got lumped into hooks when modern prize fighting came into effect. swings were entirely different from hooks, which with gloves on, they only had hooks, swings were made illegal, but they were to maximize the effect of a fist without padding and or damaging them.

we laugh at that old stance today, but it really the best form one can take when fighting without gloves, for protection of your assets and for defense in a real life fight.

i use the bare knuckle fighting techniques in my self defense regimen, it's more practical in a real fight than using sport techniques.........

boxing stance pertaining to feet placement, more of the weight on the back foot, until weight transfer in punching and taking ground, hands up, lead elbow at the waist, rear by the chin, use lead hand to jab and deflect, and clean up with the rear hand.

quick note, the one two combo with this stance would take on a vertical fist lead hand drop step jab to push the head back exposing the neck followed by a rotation of the hips and shooting out the right hand with the natural fist/punching rotation right into the throat........ this is not for boxing but for self defense. but, pick up the lead leg for the drop step with vertical lead hand jab, once thrown, a quick snap in the hips and snapping the right hand out from it holds a lot of power. if you had a lot of force in it, you can and probably should keep the rear hand vertical as well, you can get more leverage behind your punch with it if you're not wearing gloves. gloves allow more clubbing style punches, bare knuckle you have to be precise........ target areas only, if possible.

hope that has some interests for you.......... if you want to know more, pm me.

[Motofan]

For the 9 billionth time, 90+% of the time, the MMA fighter wins the MMA fight, and the Boxer wins the Boxing match. Floyd gets tapped out in MMA, and in a boxing ring, he beats the **** out of the MMA guy. Enough with these threads...

[Larry the boss]

For the 9 billionth time, 90+% of the time, the MMA fighter wins the MMA fight, and the Boxer wins the Boxing match. Floyd gets tapped out in MMA, and in a boxing ring, he beats the **** out of the MMA guy. Enough with these threads...

green k...........

[Hotsoup]

I think he has the style to transition over to MMA and have success. But he would have to cross train for a couple years beforehand.

[Marchegiano]

for a stand up style, from my studies and experience, the old bare knuckle style stance is probably the most effective in against mma or shoot ins.

with the lead hand out and the elbow about the waist, shooting in is met with a quick shot right in the face, it's not fool proof, some guys take two to get one, but it's an obstacle with a fist right in your face if you're thinking about shooting in.

i don't know why mma fighters hold their guard up like boxers do, boxing gloves allow a fighter to turtle up and have some protection, from elbows to gloves with padding, makes for a viable defense.

but with no gloves or those small mma gloves, punches can come right in through the guard and sides.

the old bare knuckle stance, which back in the day of bare knuckle fighting it was called "Fencing with fists" and that lead hand was out to deflect punches because taking any punches back in the day was losing, because covering up and letting a guy hit you 1) could end the fight easily and 2) he could smash your hands and arms, breaking your hand and or hands and break down the muscle in your arms making it harder for you to fight and defend yourself.

also the bare knuckle stance allows you to keep your chin tucked at all times so it would be viable against head kicks too, provided you're aware...

but i think that, that element in mma would serve those guys better than boxing defense in a mma fight.

also, a boxing stance with the elbows up, hands by the ears and face, ALLOWS FOR ANOTHER FIGHTER TO SHOOT IN, again, bare knuckle stance keeps a fist right in the opponents face if he were to consider shooting in........

long winded i know..............

If there was ever an mma fighter to even stand like he's from 1860 I'd be his fan. It's a damn shame that video hadn't been invented before say John Heenan. Bare Knuckle was the greatest sport ever conceived, and it's only down side it the difference in reading vs watching.

I think it's a huge mistake to assume every boxer is likely to fail as much as James. My grand father was a golden gloves in the navy, and in truth I've been in gyms for as long as I can remember. My uncle ( other side of the family) is a 13 degree black belt in Shotokan. It was my uncle who showed me UFC one with the one gloved black "boxer". His intentions were to get me more into TMA. Jiu Jitsu didn't impress me so much as using a lack of knowledge to your advantage, and how easy it was to go into a world where you know your opponent has no clue whats going on. What he did was got me interested in anything that had to do with fighting. The history of fighting. The different forms and sports. The philosophy all of it. So fast forward 2008. I'd been a fan of both MMA and K-1 for years. This guy Overeem from Pride KO's Badr Hari. I thought to myself "wouldn't it be cool as **** to simply unite the striking belts? to not just be the universal boxing champ but the the universal boxing, mma, and K-1 champion. Effectively say to the world I am the baddest man at 185." I didn't know in a couple years Overeem would have 2/3's of my dream done....plus he's a HW.....god I wish I was a HW....anyway I promptly went into mma. I'd just started challenging and sparring as much as I could in the gym. What I got from this experience was pretty simple. The number one factor in any fight regardless of training is who are the individuals fighting. James Toney lost the way he did because he's an idiot. Not because he's a boxer....because he's seriously dumb as ****. I'd run into basically two types of opponent. The type that wanted to out box the kid who came from a boxing gym, and the ones who wanted to prove you can't dominate a mixed sport with a pure technique. I wasn't necessarily trying to get away with just boxing, but that is 90% of what I did. What I noticed is if you don't have the heart to go to war with me you will lose. It's not going to be one big kick, or one slam, or sub attempt. I'm going to make you fight, fight, fight. A lot of guys tap because they "know" they're beat. It's the same as not getting up after a knockdown even though you clearly could. If you simply never know when to give up than you will have a tendency to go to war a lot. That doesn't change by sport, knowledge of the sport, or technical prowess. It's more a personality trait than a specific sport technique. I've since quit only due to my father having cancer. I'll be back. hopefully before I'm old. Anyway that's my story. I guess my major glaring flaw in these assumptions and my evidence is a lack of pro or even real amateur ( meaning with records) skill sets.

[sNiTcH]

in boxing they have been trained to box 100%
in mma boxing is just 40-60% - its more on combination.

so the logic is:

Boxers will win over MMA on a boxing rules.
MMA will win over boxers on an MMA rules.

[RoidRage]

Mayweather isn't strong enough to be an MMA fighter..judah is more cut out, bradley, cotto, etc

[Phil Ivey]

he would lose of course... what a horrible question.. he has a great footwork and would destroy anybody in stand up but he would have no clue what to do when it hits the floor. This is like saying how would a cricketer do in baseball..... errrr two entirely different sports.