How Sergio Can Become #1 P4P - Secret Revealed!!!

[Steak]

And Dzinizruk wasn't a slide? The #8 ranked jr middle who's never had a fight at middleweight? Manfredo possibly next? From pavlik and p4p ranked williams? gimme a break. This guy is seeking softer touches than Andre Berto.

cintron (D), p.will (L), pavlik (UD), p.will (KO), dzinziruk (KO) is no better than Pac's recent wins. Infact Pac's are much better. He KO'd a lineal champ (hatton), a top 3 welter (cotto), smashed a legend as an massive underdog (DLH) and had shutout decisions against top rated welters (clottey and margarito). Add to that his wins over HoFs at the lower weights, and how can Martinez get so close basically coming out of nowhere with that overrated set of fights?

how far back are we reaching here? I personally think p4p lists should only take into account what youve done the last year and a half or so, otherwise guys like Holyfield would be top 10.

in the last year Martinez has beaten Williams, Pavlik and Dzinziruk.
in the last year Pacquiao has beaten Margarito and Clottey, Cotto if you want to make it a year and a half.

Williams>or=Cotto
Pavlik champ of division>Clottey
Dzin top 10 ranked>Margarito unranked

I have Pacquiao #1 still, but mostly just because of his past victories carrying on. and old man Mosley isnt going to do much for him either. If Martinez gets another big win(s) under his belt, he could pass Pacquiao.

although if he ends up fighting a bum like Manfredo he could easily drop.

legacy wise obviously Pac is way ahead of Martinez. but thats not how p4p lists work. its whoever is currently doing the best in the sport. Personally I dont think you should reach past a year and a half when deciding that, but of course p4p lists are purely subjective.
after all, most people wont rank Mayweather at all anymore after he has done nothing for a year straight. you can only reach into the past so far.

[ronnie_N.]

i agree, sergio doesn't need floyd or manny to be the #1p4p fighter... all he need to do is fight at higher divisions just like what those 2 did...

fighting sergei doesn't help... why pick a superwelterweight as a challenger for his middleweight title?...

[jucare2]

not yet..

Sergio is a good boxer but this is not the right time for him to climb to number 1.pacman is still the man but i agree with Maravilla that Pacman needs to win convincingly (ko or tko) to cast out any doubt in his legacy as the # 1 pp king.
Lucian Bute or jean pascal will be a good laddercase for Maravilla.if he beats one of these two convincingly in the higher weight then let be it...Sergio Martinez is the # 1 pound for pound king in the planet today...dislodging the pacman...

[slicksouthpaw16]

Y

Sergio can beat some 175 lbers if u think about .. I think he beats chad dawson ,glen johnson,cloud etc so only question is will dibella match him against smw's and lhw's

You are going way to far. Other than being two weight divisions bigger, Dawson loves technical fights and knows how to use his size. Just watch him against southpaw Ian Gardner.

[BoxerDood]

And Dzinizruk wasn't a slide? The #8 ranked jr middle who's never had a fight at middleweight? Manfredo possibly next? From pavlik and p4p ranked williams? gimme a break. This guy is seeking softer touches than Andre Berto.

cintron (D), p.will (L), pavlik (UD), p.will (KO), dzinziruk (KO) is no better than Pac's recent wins. Infact Pac's are much better. He KO'd a lineal champ (hatton), a top 3 welter (cotto), smashed a legend as an massive underdog (DLH) and had shutout decisions against top rated welters (clottey and margarito). Add to that his wins over HoFs at the lower weights, and how can Martinez get so close basically coming out of nowhere with that overrated set of fights?

Cintron > Hatton (Sergio got robbed. He knocked Cintron out and decisioned him all in one night)
Williams > Margarito (Williams beat a prime Margo, and Sergio KO'ed him in two)
Dzinziruk > Clottey
Pavlik = Cotto (and that's me being generous)

He's certainly getting there. Add in possible fights with Cotto, Angulo, Kirkland, Sturm or Pirog and he can certainly mess with Pac's resume. Especially since Pac's probably fighting Marquez after Mosley lol

[Daddy T]

beating guys in your own weight division doesn't make u p4p champ if it did the klit brothers would be 1&2 in the rankings.

You do it by moving up in weights

Look at the real p4p kings of the last decade or so

Roy Jones jnr went from middleweight champ to super middleweight champ to lightheavy champ to a version of heavyweight championship

Mayweather went from junior lightweight champ to lightweight champ to junior welterweight champ to welterweight champ to super welterweight champ

Pacquiao went from flyweight champ to junior featherweight champ to featherweight champ to super featherweight champ to lightweight champ to junior welter champ to welter champ to version of super welter champ

Bottom line: sure Martinez is THE great middle weight at the mo, but if he wants to be considered in the same breath as these guys he needs to move up and take supermiddle and light heavy championships not go around calling out guys nearly 20 pounds lighter than him. If he was to beat Mayweather or Pacquiao it does not make him the P4P king anymore than Wlad beating Froch would make him the p4p king.

[Fighting Pride]

Cintron > Hatton (Sergio got robbed. He knocked Cintron out and decisioned him all in one night)
Williams > Margarito (Williams beat a prime Margo, and Sergio KO'ed him in two)
Dzinziruk > Clottey
Pavlik = Cotto (and that's me being generous)

He's certainly getting there. Add in possible fights with Cotto, Angulo, Kirkland, Sturm or Pirog and he can certainly mess with Pac's resume. Especially since Pac's probably fighting Marquez after Mosley lol

Cmon man, you gotta be fair and compare opponents appropriately.

Hatton-Pavlik are even (both were lineal champs undefeated in their divisions..both two fights removed from their only loss at a higher division against ATGs hopkins and Mayweather...Pac's ko was more impressive tho and hatton atleast smashed number one contender Malignaggi the fight before, so if any win was better it was Hatton)

Williams>Cotto (williams was on a better run, despite the hiccup to Quintana, and even tho he got the decision over martinez, KO win for Sergio in the rematch was massive..very close though, Cotto was still a top 3 welter, despite the margo beating, is the more skilled fighter, held a title and had just beaten another rated welter Clottey..actually I'm tempted to call this one even, Cotto was better at welter than Williams was at middleweight)

Margarito>Cintron (margarito brutalised cintron twice and cintron was fresh off the loss to margo with no significant wins at 154, same as margo..margarito's ko loss to mosley and suspension makes it closer but he was the better opponent here)

Clottey>Dzinziruk (similar type opponents, Clottey ranked a bit higher than Dzinziruk and was alot more proven having given close fights to top fighters Cotto, Judah, Margarito which could've gone either way.. Pac beat Clottey in a shutout and in his own division, so he has the edge here)


Now that's a fair comparison of opponents. You have to put bias aside and have the same standards for both

[Sugar Sting Ray]

beating guys in your own weight division doesn't make u p4p champ if it did the klit brothers would be 1&2 in the rankings.

You do it by moving up in weights

Look at the real p4p kings of the last decade or so

Roy Jones jnr went from middleweight champ to super middleweight champ to lightheavy champ to a version of heavyweight championship

Mayweather went from junior lightweight champ to lightweight champ to junior welterweight champ to welterweight champ to super welterweight champ

Pacquiao went from flyweight champ to junior featherweight champ to featherweight champ to super featherweight champ to lightweight champ to junior welter champ to welter champ to version of super welter champ

Bottom line: sure Martinez is THE great middle weight at the mo, but if he wants to be considered in the same breath as these guys he needs to move up and take supermiddle and light heavy championships not go around calling out guys nearly 20 pounds lighter than him. If he was to beat Mayweather or Pacquiao it does not make him the P4P king anymore than Wlad beating Froch would make him the p4p king.

Good point. People are blinded by the recent. Sergio-Mania will be over next week. Donaire-Mania and Sergio-Mania will alternate and so will their relative places in the P4P rankings.