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I say let this fight happen at 154 or 160, even if martinez will outweight pac by 20-30 lbs, pac will still tko him by cuts or win a very ud, i will bet all my points on it.Comment
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That and the whole "he's the lineal World Champ in a weight class that's part of the original 8" thing.
The guy was a 154 lb. champ as recently as 10 months ago (til someone made him relinquish it so 2 non top ten 154 lb. guys could fight for it at a weight less than 154 lbs.)
And if Martinez is too big for Manny, what does that make JMM for Manny?
That's right, it makes him a victim of the success Manny has had in the ring (with anyone else on Earth besides JMM, of course)
And even though manny could easily make 140, or hell even 135 cuz he usually weighs in day of at 144, after a Full English Breakfast (Just like Sergio could still make 154, since he usually day of weighs in at 158) He won't, because Marquez would still have a fight to give him at those weights, and that Scares Manny Pacquiao, cuz he remembers what happened the Last 2 TIMES.
So I'm guessing what's happening here is 3 people so far (sapaw, mushahadeen and check hooks
) are saying that Manny Pacquiao is incapable of being a hypocrite, and will defend him BLINDLY to prove he isn't one.
Love of a fighter should never interfere with reason.
Get off Manny's nuts.
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If this fight were to ever happen it will either be at 150-153 or 155 for the Middleweight Championship, from team Pac's point of view there no reason to have it at 154.Comment
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I do.
Fight the guy you unfairly had stripped of the JMW crown you won at a Catchweight by beating a guy who wasn't ranked, and who came into Cowboy Stadium with 6 losses, and after the most embarrassing loss of his career.
They could make a entire episode of "24/7" or "Fight Camp" based solely on that.Comment
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Well, then why not go the extra lb and go for the MW Championship?
And, Pac got Martinez stripped, eh ok. Margo was ranked no 1 by the WBC, unfair or not, that was his ranking.
And if you mean ring ranking, Cotto is no 1 now, would you be happy with that rematch at 154?Last edited by Slick_Rick; 03-16-2011, 11:18 AM.Comment
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For part 1, See previous answer. Not insulting your intelligence, that's just my argument and I'm sticking to it. For Pac's point of view, ask Pac, cuz he seems to be pretty uninterested in a 155 lb. catchweight.
Exactly, unfair or not. Margs earned that spot by beating Roberto Garcia (Not to be confused with his ex-featherweight champ trainer) who 2 months prior to fighting Margs, was fighting at the Super Middle Limit.
If your asking if I would watch/pay for Pac/Cotto II @ a full 154, the answer is yes, for the same reason I'm throwing in part on the Pac/Mosley fight. Because both fighters are still, at the end of the day, exciting fighters.
I also don't think it would be quite the blowout 9 lbs. north of the original (It's not like it's in the realm of absurdity for Cotto to beat Pac, even though I still don't think it would happen.)Comment
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Well to beat the number one ranked @ 154 he'll need to beat Cotto, a guy pretty much everyone knows Pac will beat, and yes it may be a little bit more competative, but its quite clear he beat him at any weight, and in the process will bring validation to his 154 title.
Which is why he wont fight Martinez at 154, as he doesn't need to. And is all more reason to fight him at 155 and make claim-age to that MW strap. And as for legitimacy, i dont think many people will complain about that, even the hardcore Pac haters wont be against it to much seeing as Martinez is a smallish MW.
But yeah, i doubt the fight will ever happen, regardlessComment
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The fact that we are even discussing this fight proves how good Pacquiao is. When Pac fought Margarito the size difference was enormous. It was almost laughable. This is even more laughable, and unfair. I don't stand by Pacquiao's winning of the 154 lb title at a catchweight - that was illegitimate, wholly - but in actual fact the maximum weight division he can really fight at fairly is 147 lbs. Anything higher and he's sacraficing an inordinate amount of weight. Which is not to say he might not win - and I would give him a chance of beating Martinez, no doubt about it - but at what point do you draw the line? If he beats Martinez are we gonna start talking about him fighting Andre Ward? When I watched Pac-Margarito, I saw a jr-welterweight beating up a big jr-middleweight. It was phenomenal. I would like to see the fight but I won't demand it, because it's preposterous. It's preposterous to ask Pac to fight a guy as big as Martinez, when even on the most rigorous bulk-diets (eating like seven meals per day plus protein shakes) and employing a full-time strength and conditioning guru in Ariza he has not been able to weigh over 145. I mean, he's never EVEN WEIGHED 147 LBS and some people on here are demanding he fights the middleweight champion of the world? Get the fck out of here with that nonsense, so-called boxing fansComment
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