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  • JUYJUY
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    The Best Boxer Ever

    If he missed with one hand (which he rarely ever did anyway) he was always in a position to punch with the other hand, his judgment of distance was out of this world. He was never out of position. He was an extremley accurate puncher who wasted no motion and never threw a wild punch in his life. All the blows in this guys arsenal were so perfectly and precisely thrown every time that you get the sense watching him that he couldn't have been wild or sloppy if he tried! He was ice cold in action, and had an uncanny way of anticipating and avoiding a blow by the merest move of the head.

    This guy could knock you out with a jab, had beautiful hooks with either hand, wonderful uppercuts with either hand, and a well-timed laser right cross that very few could survive when it landed just once. He was always as patient as patient can be, with very little risk-taking, and could punch as hard in the last round as he could in the first round. He could eventually catch up with you, no matter who you are, and knock you out. He has some of the fastest pair of hands that there has been, carrying some of the most paralyzing power that there has been. His punches were very short yet so full, and full of perfection. Once he found his range and sensed the time was right then you were out of there, his instinct was second to none and so was his punching accuracy, not to mention his sickening power. He was often immaculate, without even breaking a sweat. He punched to both body and head, never neglecting sapping body shots (and when this guy threw them they were sapping alright!).

    Many people believe that his worst asset was his footwork, but they couldn't be further from the truth. This guy was fundamentally flawless, "good footwork" means more than dancing around like a bunny rabbit to avoid punches. Footwork was used by this guy to cut the ring by stepping forward and then drawing opponents into his punches by making subtle steps back. By pressing forward, inch by inch he would close the distance on his opponents and then by stepping back he would appear vulnerable, but when his opponent's moved in they were setting themselves up for his lethal counter-punches. Footwork can be used to create and close distance for balanced punching, not just dancing away as some fans think today. This guy has some of the best footwork that anybody has had.

    He was one of the most fundamentally sound boxers ever seen, and was the best in a combination of both boxing skills and punching power. This guy could jab, box, feint, counter, and set up his punches with wasteless efficiency. Oh yes, he could do it all, triple left-hooks, you name it, and do it all effortlessly! He was also a master of defence, coming out of the ring without a mark on him.

    He is by far the best heavyweight ever, the best puncher ever, he just has to be the best boxer-puncher ever, the best single-puncher ever, and he's the best combination-puncher to ever lace the gloves.

    He had the longest world title reign ever, with the most world title defences ever, and the most world title wins ever - in any weight division. He didn't have film to study his opponents, but he was a superb technician who made opponent's pay for mistakes and could dissect any opponent's style once he understood them as his record of 10-0 in rematches demonstrates.

    For me, 'pound-for-pound' puts everybody on a level playing field. Just because you can't move up in weight shouldn't count against you 'pound-for-pound', and therefore my choice as the pound-for-pound number-one of all-time, is........................................

























    THE BROWN BOMBER

    Last edited by JUYJUY; 09-13-2005, 06:09 PM.
  • TyrantT316
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    #2
    whew...he didn't say Eubank...

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    • InThisCorner
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      #3
      Just for you JuyJuy I will say it's Eubanks .

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      • druth
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        #4
        I honestly thought it was going to say "Eubank" lol

        Anyways, I agree with you. I can't believe I just said that.

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        • Kid Achilles
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          #5
          I agree with you but then I'm biased as he is one of my top three all time favorite fighters.

          In terms of him being a pound for pound great, it's a no brainer for me. It's because he actually fought larger men who possessed skill and talent (Abe Simon, Buddy Baer, Max Baer etc) and annihilated them whereas guys like Bernard Hopkins were forced to stay at a smaller weight so they could continue to win against physically weaker opponents. Many people have forgotten the true meaning of "pound for pound".

          Only Jack Dempsey handled men much bigger than himself in such a manner and most of them weren't as good as the giants Louis faced. Abe Simon for one was better than Michael Grant, Ruddock, and a lot of the contemporary so called skilled big men (230+ lbs). Buddy Baer was a HUGE puncher, very tough, and an accomplished slugger (but he was and is often left in the shadow of his more charismatic brother). Even Carnera, limited as he was, was a better fighter and had a better jab than Grant, McCline and some of the other guys around. He lacked power but was much more skilled than his reputation suggests. Max Schmeling even said he was impressed with Primo's technique in his autobiography and Schmeling didn't bull**** anyone.

          I am completely confident that Louis would more than hold his own against the modern heavyweight. He was unreal.

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          • MrUnstoppable
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            #6
            Louis was great but Ali was better.

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            • JUYJUY
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              Originally posted by MrUnstoppable
              Louis was great but Ali was better.
              Joe Louis was in a class all by himself, he was in a league of his own, as far as I'm concerned he was on another planet.. he was better than anybody, and Muhammad Ali was anybody.

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              • Manny_P
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                it's Floyd Mayweathuuuuuur! Im serious.

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                • Kid Achilles
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                  Ali is better only in that he was fortunate to come along at a time where the field was richer in talent than when Joe fought. In terms of skill and ability, I place Louis higher. Ali wasted too much energy with his style of footwork, didn't get much weight behind his punches, and fought in a manner that would give Louis too many opportunities.

                  Ali never faced a puncher with Louis's handspeed. He may have had the reflexes to make Cleveland Williams and an ancient Archie Moore look like fools but Louis could knock you into next week without you even realizing it. Very, very quick "point A to point B" handspeed. Those punches always took the direct route too.

                  On the inside, Ali was relatively lacking. Those whipping hooks were flashy and looked cool but they would never cut it in the trenches where the Brown Bomber was such a killer. Louis ripping to the body on the inside is one of my all time favorite scenes in boxing. He could throw a fight ending punch from only six inches away. He got more leverage than any other heavyweight in history period.

                  Ali's best work came on the outside, and Louis was a master jabber and parrier himself. Head movement was underrated. I think Louis was more than competitive with Ali on the outside and would absolutely stomp him at close range. That's the different. Louis was so versatile and could fight from anywhere while Ali was only exceptional at one range.

                  Let's not even start comparing Ali to Conn (the argument many take as to why Ali would beat Joe) because they were different fighters with different styles and skillsets. To define them both as "dancers" would be like saying Joe Frazier and Foreman were the same kind of fighter because they could punch.

                  Ali was not a bigger, better version of Conn, not by a longshot. They were completely different. In fact, P4P Conn may even beat Ali in a head to head matchup.
                  Last edited by Kid Achilles; 09-13-2005, 11:59 AM.

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                  • jack_the_rippuh
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                    "I am the astronaut of boxing. Joe Louis and Dempsey were just jet
                    pilots. I'm in a world of my own"

                    -Ali

                    True he's in a world of his own, but Michael Gerard Tyson is in a galaxy of his own.

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