Floyd Mayweather at 34 is DONE in terms of greatness

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  • lfc19titles
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    #121
    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
    Morales is not included in his best wins.

    It is also in his 3rd weight class a whole 2 weight classes above his best weight. One in which he came down from 135 coming off a one sided loss to fight Pacqiauo.
    its arguable, for me morales was still a great fighter, he ran out of steam at the end but that was due to pac being a bit better than the first fight and landing his big shots

    barrera and marquez at their best weights is better than any floyd win

    cotto, clottey and margo makes pacs resume at ww better by a mile mate, remember against clottey and margo, pac gave away like 15-20 pounds which is mad, totally mad. cotto was and still is a world class fighter

    the only way for floyd to redeem himself and not be laughed at is to beat pac. floyd wont do it, there is no possible advantage he can get over pac, pac aint over the hill like mosley, pac isnt someone who is average at 147 like hatton was. pac is the real deal, pac can fight floyd at 140, 147 or 154 and whoop is ass

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    • IronDanHamza
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      #122
      Originally posted by lfc19titles
      mosley was not the lineal champion. the best guy at the time and still is pac. how was mosley top 3? yes he beat a weigth drained margarito who lost 30 pounds in 8 weeks to make the weight.

      Pac, floyd and cotto were better than him so he was not the top 3, remember he also came off a 16 month lay off

      hatton alsmost got k0d at 147 by other guys before fighting floyd, he was a good light welter but a decent welter at best

      floyd will be considerd at around the 50-75 range of goat when he retires, him avoiding the likes of kosta (sp?), mosley (prime), cotto, margo, willians and pacman will be the reason he will be remembered at the end
      Well, he was. Many considered him the Lineal Champion.

      Mosley beat Margarito who was considered #1 at WW. He was considered to be ranked higher than Cotto, thats when Mayweather fought him and when Pacqiauo fought Cotto.

      Hatton almot got KO'd by other guys at 147? Which other guys were they? He had a tough close fight with Collazo.

      How did he avoid Tszyu then? Explain that to me please.

      However I agree Mayweather will be considered Top 50-60 ATG if he were to retire now. IMO.

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      • ИATAS
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        #123
        I always thought that if Floyd had the desire to do so, the determination and the mindset to make history, he could be like b-hop and fight at an elite level into his 40's. Because Floyd doesn't just rely solely on his reflexes, he's a master at positioning and knows the ins and outs of the game just like bernard, so even when his reflexes fade he can still be highly effective and still be elite.

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        • IronDanHamza
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          #124
          Originally posted by lfc19titles
          its arguable, for me morales was still a great fighter, he ran out of steam at the end but that was due to pac being a bit better than the first fight and landing his big shots

          barrera and marquez at their best weights is better than any floyd win

          cotto, clottey and margo makes pacs resume at ww better by a mile mate, remember against clottey and margo, pac gave away like 15-20 pounds which is mad, totally mad. cotto was and still is a world class fighter

          the only way for floyd to redeem himself and not be laughed at is to beat pac. floyd wont do it, there is no possible advantage he can get over pac, pac aint over the hill like mosley, pac isnt someone who is average at 147 like hatton was. pac is the real deal, pac can fight floyd at 140, 147 or 154 and whoop is ass
          Morales was coming down in weight and coming off a one sided loss to a fighter he was expected to beat. It's not a great win. He may have ran out of steam because he was faded as opposed to Pacqiauo being so much better in a space of a year?

          Clottey is an average win, he didn't fight Margarito at WW. So Clottey does little and Margarito does nothing for his WW resume. Cotto however, is an excellent win at WW for Pacqiauo.

          Floyd will be laughed at if he doesn't fight Pacqiauo? Ok, sure.

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          • brick wall
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            #125
            floyd is a big underachiever. his achievements is way behind his talent and skillset...sad but true.

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            • champ_kw
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              #126
              Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
              That was funny.....

              Like I said, I think Floyd is a great fighter, which part of that did you miss?

              I just think that his supposed biggest fights where exactly what I said they were.

              Look, facts are facts and they seem to get away from you. In this place it's either black or white, there's no in between.

              Floyd is a great fighter, ATG but he won't be remembered as the best of all time because of the fact he didn't fight the best when he had a chance to. It's ok, we know you love Floyd, I get that but he's tarnished his legacy with all this nonsense and we won't see him and Pac, he won't fight him.
              Don't try to move the goal post once you get called out on your irrational statements. You said he ALWAYS cherrypicked. When I went on to list a decade worth of champions or championship caliber fighters, you want to change to tune to "he won't be remembered as the best of all time". You never answered my question....who was he supposed to fight? And if you're a boxing fan instead of a "flavor" of the month fan, you would realize that having a Cotto or Margarito on your resume isn't that big of a deal. You keep insinuating that Floyd's legacy is incomplete cause Pac's name isn't on there. Pac fought all the same guys you crapped on Floyd about....AFTER he fought them. Somehow those same names lend credibility to Pac's resume but not Floyd's? Like I said, it's clear you don't watch a lot of boxing. We live in a world now where guys go on a reality show and box 5 other house mates and can get title shots. Floyd is from a different era. And it's clear you don't know crap about that era when you start spouting off the usual "Castillo and Corrales" names as if he fought club fighters the rest of his career. The fighters he fought throughout the latter part of the '90's thru the mid '00's are way better than the crop that's out now. At the beginning of the year Pac's options were...Devon Alexander, Tim Bradley, Madaina, and Berto. Those guys wouldn't even make HBO in the late 90's and early '00's. So stop acting like his career is trash because its fashionable to say so. You're spouting off the term cherrypicker all because you don't know or didn't see the fights before he became "big". Keep letting Bob Arum tell you who's "The most feared man in boxing". You're the type of clown that don't even know who's boxing on FNF. You're a "big event" type of cat. Be a fan of the sport and stop jocking fighters.

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              • jtiger777
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                #127
                Floyd mayweather is one of the best pure boxers to ever put on gloves he hasnt took enough punishment to be "done" he has 2 more years in him.... I think his legal problems are the hold up he just needs to say something

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                • IMDAZED
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                  #128
                  I think people assume - oh, he doesn't take a lot of punishment in the ring therefore he still has x amount of fights/years left. Doesn't work that way. Floyd has been fighting since he could walk. That's a lot of wear and tear on the body. If he steps in the ring again, he's going to look a lot worse than people think. And if it's against an elite opponent, he will probably lose.

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                  • KnockUTheFukOut
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                    #129
                    THE ******ITY OF TODAYS BOXING FANS

                    Won't even reply to all the IGNORANCE because it shows you who knows boxing and who DON'T!


                    Your opinions are NOT UNIVERSAL, many of you post stuff as if your speaking for EVERYONE and "this is what everybody thinks" and it is simply NOT TRUE

                    "Floyd Mayweather at 34 is DONE in Terms Of Greatness"...IN YOUR OPINION!

                    "Mayweather was never great"....IN YOUR OPINION


                    You don't have to like Floyd to know that he is one of the Most Skilled and one of the most Complete fighters in BOXING HISTORY! It is nothing anyone can do to take that from him...as much as they would love to do it
                    Last edited by KnockUTheFukOut; 03-24-2011, 01:24 PM.

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                    • bojangles1987
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                      #130
                      Originally posted by IMDAZED
                      See the right hand Floyd got hit with from Shane? No amount of technical skills will stop that. Floyd utilizes reflexes as much as Jones did. Jones got KO'ed when he was 35. Technical skills or not, most fighters will fall off right around then.
                      I think because of Mayweather's knowledge inside the ring people don't really pay attention to how much he does rely on reflexes. The pullcounter he loves so much is reflexes and timing. The shoulder roll is reflexes and timing. His ability to beat fighters to the punch is reflexes and timing. All that will diminish.

                      I expect one more great fight out of Mayweather if he gets in the ring in the next year, and then the inactivity will really start to show.

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