Floyd Mayweather at 34 is DONE in terms of greatness

[SirTomJones]

I am sorry but what has floyd done to be classed an ATG?

[IronDanHamza]

I am sorry but what has floyd done to be classed an ATG?

3 Lineal titles?

Legit title holder across 5 weight classes?

Beat fighters considered in the Top 3 in the respective weight class on 10 occasions?

Beat fighters considered #1 in the respective division on 6 occasions (not including Lineal Champion for certain occasions)

Considered the best fighter in the world for multiple years?

Sounds like an ATG to me.

[Chopper417]

Mayweather's fall from grace will be as shocking as Roy's. If he ever fights again.

I see the logic in what you're trying to say here, BUT Roy's fall from grace was simply inevitable due to his major lack of technical skill, fundamental flaws, and EXTREME reliance on God given athletic ability. Roy may have been the most GIFTED fighter of all time, but his fundamentals were simply awful in many ways. Once his physical ability started to fail him, he didn't have the technical skills to still be competitive. Floyd is the complete opposite...he is the best technical fighter of our time, has the best defense arguably ever, and is the most accurate puncher in Compubox history. Floyd is an EXTEMELY physically gifted fighter (amazingly fast hands, crazy stamina, reflexes etc..etc..) but he has the skill set to remain competitive when things like hand speed and reflexes start to fade a little.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

And it's clear you don't watch a lot of boxing....or should I say, you don't know much about Floyd. Who should he have fought other than 38-1 Genero Hernandez? Or a 25-2 Angel Manfredy? Or a 34-2 Carlos Gerena? Or 33-2 Carlos Hernandez? Or 35-1 Jesus Chavez? Or 31-1 Phillip N'dou? And don't act like Baldomir wasn't champ at 147. And stop acting like Oscar wasn't a legit 154 champ at his first fight at the weight. And Mosley just destroyed Antonio before he fought Mayweather. And Hatton was undefeated. And JMM is the same size as Pac. So in your effort to discredit Floyd's career, you've only made yourself sound like a novice. You crap on Floyd for fighting a WAY smaller JMM, but say his career won't be complete unless he fights another WAY smaller guy? So either you admit it's about skills and not about size, or you have to start downgrading Pac's resume too. That small Hatton, old Oscar, and way old Mosley are the reasons Pac is as popular as he is today. Only when their names are attached to Floyd, they become names on an unfullfilled legacy of a cherry picker.

That was funny.....

Like I said, I think Floyd is a great fighter, which part of that did you miss?

I just think that his supposed biggest fights where exactly what I said they were.

Look, facts are facts and they seem to get away from you. In this place it's either black or white, there's no in between.

Floyd is a great fighter, ATG but he won't be remembered as the best of all time because of the fact he didn't fight the best when he had a chance to. It's ok, we know you love Floyd, I get that but he's tarnished his legacy with all this nonsense and we won't see him and Pac, he won't fight him.

[IMDAZED]

I see the logic in what you're trying to say here, BUT Roy's fall from grace was simply inevitable due to his major lack of technical skill, fundamental flaws, and EXTREME reliance on God given athletic ability. Roy may have been the most GIFTED fighter of all time, but his fundamentals were simply awful in many ways. Once his physical ability started to fail him, he didn't have the technical skills to still be competitive. Floyd is the complete opposite...he is the best technical fighter of our time, has the best defense arguably ever, and is the most accurate puncher in Compubox history. Floyd is an EXTEMELY physically gifted fighter (amazingly fast hands, crazy stamina, reflexes etc..etc..) but he has the skill set to remain competitive when things like hand speed and reflexes start to fade a little.

See the right hand Floyd got hit with from Shane? No amount of technical skills will stop that. Floyd utilizes reflexes as much as Jones did. Jones got KO'ed when he was 35. Technical skills or not, most fighters will fall off right around then.

[Kilrain]

Floyd has obviously been one of the most financially successful fighters in the history of the sport, is co-holder of the sport's biggest (and second biggest) pay-per-view number; however, he could really have put his name in lights in the history books if he'd have fought Cotto or Margarito a couple of years back; if he had fought a Paul Williams. If he had fought the best welterweights of his era, when they were the best welterweights of his era; if he had fought Shane back in 2005/2006. There are many points where Floyd could really have reached for the jugular, but he didn't. His interest are purely monetary.

[SirTomJones]

3 Lineal titles?

Legit title holder across 5 weight classes?

Beat fighters considered in the Top 3 in the respective weight class on 10 occasions?

Beat fighters considered #1 in the respective division on 6 occasions (not including Lineal Champion for certain occasions)

Considered the best fighter in the world for multiple years?

Sounds like an ATG to me.

his top 5 wins?

[IronDanHamza]

his top 5 wins?

In my opinion?

Corrales
Hernandez
Castillo
Mosley
Hatton

But what does this have to do with what he's achieved?

I mean, he's considered an HOF level 130 Lb'er alone. Being the Lineal Champion there with 8 title defences.

That's without what he's achieved at his 4 other weight classes.

Quite difficult to dispute he's an ATG...

[AnimalisticMeth]

He didn't look like the Floyd we all know against Mosley. He was flat footed and was standing in front of Mosley the whole fight. It reminded me of Whitaker late in his career when he just stop using his legs. But hey it was just one fight so we will see how he looks in the future if he ever fight again.

[Chopper417]

He didn't look like the Floyd we all know against Mosley. He was flat footed and was standing in front of Mosley the whole fight. It reminded me of Whitaker late in his career when he just stop using his legs. But hey it was just one fight so we will see how he looks in the future if he ever fight again.

I mean it completely baffles me how you could possibly criticize or critique that performance. Besides the second round he was literally flawless and administered a complete and utter a** beating. Nobody has EVER dominated Mosley so thoroughly. Why would Floyd use his legs and run and jump around the ring when he clearly didn't need to. He stood right in front of Shayne and completely demoralized/obliterated him.