Canelo's Age Should no Longer be an Excuse.

[Guest]

You had a lot, Freddie Steele started his career at the age of 13 at Flyweight and then became one of the most underrated great MW of all time.

How the hell do you explain a 12 year old whipping ur ass when ur 28 and a solid pro.

Man.

[jrosales13]

Bro, he's a 20 year old fighter. The only thing he's in charge of is showing up to the gym and doing the work of a fighter.

He will fight and do what those people around him tell him to do.....come on man, you serious? hahaha

Bro, whether he chose to do what people around him suggest doesn't take away the fact that he's in charge of his team whether you chose to believe it or not.

[jrosales13]

How the hell do you explain a 12 year old whipping ur ass when ur 28 and a solid pro.

Man.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Bro, whether he chose to do what people around him suggest doesn't take away the fact that he's in charge of his team whether you chose to believe it or not.

Are you serious? He isn't in charge of ****.....BELIEVE that. I have been in the fight game since I was 13, I'm in my 30's I have seen many pro's in the gyms I have been at and believe me, they aren't in charge of anything.

Canelo has people around him that tell him what he wants to do, it's that simple. Fighters aren't lawyers and agents man..........get real.

He was OFFERED the WBC belt, he didn't go after it or even think about fighting Mathew Hatton.

It was a set up by Suleiman, anyone who believes any different, no offense, doesn't understand the way the boxing business works.

If they told Canelo to fight Godzilla, he would start training for him next week.

[Guest]

Canelo is an old man

Many claim that it's Baby Arizmendi at the age of just 10
The Ring magazine said that Baby Arizmendi was perhaps the youngest person ever to have become a professional boxer; he turned pro at the ripe old age of 13, although some swore he was only seven when he had his first pro fight. Others have him listed as 10.

I don't think anyone knows for sure but here's another list that I have:

Len Harvey 12 years 175 days, Pro Debut January 2, 1920
Teddy Baldock 12 years 298 days. Pro debut March 14, 1921
Baby Arizmendi 13 years 208 days, Pro debut March 17, 1914
Rodolfo Gonzalez 13 years 336 days, Pro debut November 17, 1959

Alfredo Peña was born in Mexico from legendary boxer Luis Ignacio Peña, El Rey de Mexico. Debuting at the Plaza de Toros in Tijuana against Dolores Osorio.

Also, Al Diamond out of Paterson New Jersey was just 13 when he started in 1927.
Manuel Medina, who fought and defeated Scott Harrison and was then beaten in the return a year or 2 ago, he was 14 years old when he began boxing as a pro.
Here's yet another list:

Youngest pro debut by a fighter:
1. Baby Arizmendi age 10
2. Alfredo Peña age 12
2. Teddy Baldock age 14
3. Al McCoy age 14
4. Battling Nelson age 14
5. Georges Carpentier age 14

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[jrosales13]

Are you serious? He isn't in charge of ****.....BELIEVE that. I have been in the fight game since I was 13, I'm in my 30's I have seen many pro's in the gyms I have been at and believe me, they aren't in charge of anything.

Canelo has people around him that tell him what he wants to do, it's that simple. Fighters aren't lawyers and agents man..........get real.

He was OFFERED the WBC belt, he didn't go after it or even think about fighting Mathew Hatton.

It was a set up by Suleiman, anyone who believes any different, no offense, doesn't understand the way the boxing business works.

If they told Canelo to fight Godzilla, he would start training for him next week.

He's team which Canelo is in charge of went after the best. They wrote to Sulaiman asking him to sanction the Hatton. Which Sulaiman did.

Yes Canelo would do what is suggested doesn't take away the fact that he's in charge of his team.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

He's team which Canelo is in charge of went after the best. They wrote to Sulaiman asking him to sanction the Hatton. Which Sulaiman did.

Yes Canelo would do what is suggested doesn't take away the fact that he's in charge of his team.

Keep believing that nonsense.....


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[SCtrojansbaby]

He's team which Canelo is in charge of went after the best. They wrote to Sulaiman asking him to sanction the Hatton. Which Sulaiman did.

Yes Canelo would do what is suggested doesn't take away the fact that he's in charge of his team.

My god you are ******. I bet you think Justin Bieber is in charge of his career too? Who the phuck would let a 20 year old control a career that has the potential to make millions dumbass.

[Bierstadt]

Are you serious? He isn't in charge of ****.....BELIEVE that. I have been in the fight game since I was 13, I'm in my 30's I have seen many pro's in the gyms I have been at and believe me, they aren't in charge of anything.

Canelo has people around him that tell him what he wants to do, it's that simple. Fighters aren't lawyers and agents man..........get real.

He was OFFERED the WBC belt, he didn't go after it or even think about fighting Mathew Hatton.

It was a set up by Suleiman, anyone who believes any different, no offense, doesn't understand the way the boxing business works.

If they told Canelo to fight Godzilla, he would start training for him next week.

Perfectly understandable that Canelo has handlers, but at the end he makes the decision of whether to fight or not. They can advise and steer him in certain directions, but nobody can force him to get in the ring and win a (worthless?) belt. If it doesn't mean anything then don't use it as a promotion tool. (this goes to GBP)

And that doesn't matter right now. Point was that (and many on this forum have said this) "Alvarez won a title at just 20!" is hypocritical when you also say "He should wait to face tougher competition, after all, he is only 20 years old." One side they praise him and use his age as a bragging right for his early accomplishments, on the other hand they use it as an excuse to not step up yet. Sorry, can't have both.

[theplayerpimp]

I don't think anybody is saying he should fight elites, I know I haven't...

What people are saying is now that he's a title holder he needs to fight contenders. Like all the fighters you named did(except for Berto)

It baffles me that he's a title holder now and people are saying "no no no he shouldn't fight contenders because he's only 20" I'm sorry he's age is not an excuse anymore.

Do I expect Alvarez to fight Floyd, Pac, Martinez, or Cotto next? No I do not. And, I will not hold it against him nor bash him if he doesn't. But, do I expect him to fight other contenders like fellow title holder K9, Rhodes? Vanes? Kirkland, Angulo, Trout, Foreman, Powell? You bet your ass I do. If he's not ready for these type of caliber fighters. Then they should not have gone after the title simple as that.

I don't mind that he went after the title, I'm OK with it. But, now that he's the title holder I expect him to fight these type of opponents. These are the type of opponents that the guys you mentioned(funny none of them were Mexican) fought after winning titles. Except for Berto. And, again if I didn't give Berto a pass I'm not going to give Canelo a pass.

no one is saying he shouldnt fight contenders im saying he should fight the elites and like it or not even angulo kirland and cintron are some of the elites at 154. He should fight contenders and grow as a fighter before he jumps into fights he is not ready for. he should fight guys like foreman trout powell those types of fighters not blown up welters. And why doesnt cotto face guys like angulo and cintron? And isntead fighting mayorga whos is not a contender besides in the talking depart ment. And i did not mention mexicans bc most are familiar with most of the lower weights but my point is most if not all tittle holders dont face top comp when they have belts. And i am taking shot at moreno bc he doesnt face the elite in his division cermeno isnt neither is parra neither are all the other fighters he has defended his belt. only the guy donaire just destroyed and maybe one or two more fighters but how long has moreno been champ? why doesnt he unify? why doesnt he seek out all the best challengers for the belt intead of fighting the parras of the world. Parra is a good fighter but nowhere near the top of the banams he is a blown up super flyweight or where ever he won his belt which i cant recall.