Who Are Your Top 5 ATG Heavyweights Who Were NOT Blown Up Cruiserweights

[Allucard]

Considering Lennox demolished Vitali and could come back and beat them both, also considering Lennox avenged both his loses. He should be the greatest flat out, Vitali and Wlad might have all them wins but against who and the height and reach advantage I mean the average height of a heavy they face is like 6'3 some of the best Heavy were cruiser at some point also so this thread is a waste you just wanted to show you think Wlad and Vitali are the best you could had just made that your thread topic

Winner. It's funny seeing how small children use the internet to learn being sneaky and go on to produce huge fail threads like this.

[Joeyzagz]

Just answer the question dude. I hear all the time that Wlad and Vitali fight blown up cruiserweights, so who are the greatest HW's of all time, since blown up cruiserweights clearly suck and shouldnt be included in the discussion, so who is your top 5 HW's ofall time who didnt weight under 200 as pros.

Blownup cruisers are the are the only decent guys Wlad fought. Chambers, Ibragimov, and Byrd all went 12 rounds.

The rest are fatasses and have no business in the sport of boxing. Most unhealthy and disgraceful era in the history of the sport.

[SlickTurtle]

1) Corrie Sanders
2) Lamont Brewster
3) Ross Purrity
4) Chris Byrd
5) Lennox Lewis


and I got a question for you guys..

How many gallons of Klitschko milk does Steelhammer2011 swallow a day?

[Joeyzagz]

Here is where I rank the Klitschkos DieAntwoord

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Rocky Marciano
5. George Foreman
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Mike Tyson
8. Larry Holmes
9. Jack Johnson
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Sonny Liston
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Joe Frazier
14. Max Schmelling
15. Rid**** Bowe
16. Vitali Klitschko
17. Sam Langford
18. John L Sullivan
19. Gene Tunney
20. Jim Jeffries
21. Max Baer
22. Harry Wills
23. Oliver Mccall
24. Wladimir Klitschko
25. FLoyd Patterson

I rank Vitali as high as I do because of his dominance over average opponents. He never fights down to his level of competition. Everyone ranked ahead of him has a signature win over a top 30 guy.

[Die Antwoord]

Here is where I rank the Klitschkos DieAntwoord

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Rocky Marciano
5. George Foreman
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Mike Tyson
8. Larry Holmes
9. Jack Johnson
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Sonny Liston
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Joe Frazier
14. Max Schmelling
15. Rid**** Bowe
16. Vitali Klitschko
17. Sam Langford
18. John L Sullivan
19. Gene Tunney
20. Jim Jeffries
21. Max Baer
22. Harry Wills
23. Oliver Mccall
24. Wladimir Klitschko
25. FLoyd Patterson

I rank Vitali as high as I do because of his dominance over average opponents. He never fights down to his level of competition. Everyone ranked ahead of him has a signature win over a top 30 guy.

I understand your rankings at least. And of course one of my favorite two fighters is Joe Calzaghe...tied with Vitali, but I think we just rank guys differently. I rank on who I think would beat who, you rank on greatness of beating other greats of the era. Thats fine, but I just think its a different way of ranking. Like I think Vitali would destroy schmelling, but I agree, Schmelling beat a prime Louis, so in terms of quality you have to rank him higher. So yeah, I just think its two different ranking systems.

[hweightblogger]

Many of the heavyweights of the past would be cruiserweights (or blown-up cruiserweights fighting at heavyweight) today: Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey, Patterson.

I utterly disagree.

Frazier would be a cruiser now, yes (median winning weight 204 lbs).
Ken Norton would be a cruiser (median winning weight 209 lbs).
The Clay, yes (at least until he got fatter).
Earnie Shavers (median winning weight 205 lbs).
(and so many other opponents of The greatest Clay).

HOWEVER:
Marciano, Dempsey, Patterson WOULD NOT be cruisers probably. They would be Light-Heavyweights:
Patterson (median winning weight 178 lbs)
Marciano (median winning weight 185 lbs).
Dempsey (median winning weight 187 lbs).

The Clay era was a terrible time

• for heavyweight fans: because the heavies were blown up cruisers
• for cruiser fans: because the blown up cruisers were much slower than nowadays cruisers

The Klitschko era is the first real heavyweight era because MOST of the fights are 200+ (average weight 225 lbs) AND MOST of the fighters are genuine heavyweights (= never boxed below 200).

Ali himself fought at under 200 or just over 200 for his 1960s fights.

• The greatest Clay's record in real heavyweight fights (200x2) is 28-4 (Wlad: 55-3)
• The greatest Clay's record in real heavyweight fights against genuine heavies (= those who never boxed sub-200) is 11-1 (Wlad: 36-3)
• The greatest Clay's record in real superheavyweight fights (215x2) fights (= what we consider now the lower limit of heavyweight) against genuine heavies is 6-0 (Wlad: 33-3)

Many of his opponents WEIGHED MORE THAN HE DID:

Not only this. When you check the other 77 world champs to date then ONLY 3 have more real heavyweight wins against outweighing opponents than Wlad:

Wlad: 24 wins against outweighing opponents
Larry Holmes: 30
Tony Tucker: 26
Chris Byrd: 29

Wlad is a phenomenon.

[lparm]

The real topic of this thread is:

Who are the ATG white heavyweights weighing above 240 lbs and hail from the Ukraine?

[hweightblogger]

Here is where I rank the Klitschkos DieAntwoord

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Rocky Marciano
5. George Foreman
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Mike Tyson
8. Larry Holmes
9. Jack Johnson
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Sonny Liston
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Joe Frazier
14. Max Schmelling
15. Rid**** Bowe
16. Vitali Klitschko
17. Sam Langford
18. John L Sullivan
19. Gene Tunney
20. Jim Jeffries
21. Max Baer
22. Harry Wills
23. Oliver Mccall
24. Wladimir Klitschko
25. FLoyd Patterson

I rank Vitali as high as I do because of his dominance over average opponents. He never fights down to his level of competition. Everyone ranked ahead of him has a signature win over a top 30 guy.

If this is supposed to be a HW toplist then half of the names were cruisers thus belong on cruiser toplists AND DEFINITELY NOT in a toplist of a thread that asks specifically to ignore blown up cruisers. Compare Joe Louis (median weight 200 lbs, median opponent weight 193 lbs) with Carl Thompson not with Mike Tyson.

Rating McCall above Wladimir is ridiculous.

[hweightblogger]

I understand your rankings at least. And of course one of my favorite two fighters is Joe Calzaghe...tied with Vitali, but I think we just rank guys differently. I rank on who I think would beat who, you rank on greatness of beating other greats of the era. Thats fine, but I just think its a different way of ranking. Like I think Vitali would destroy schmelling, but I agree, Schmelling beat a prime Louis, so in terms of quality you have to rank him higher. So yeah, I just think its two different ranking systems.

There are several other ranking systems which will result in completely different toplists. Thus it's of paramount importance to clarify what kind of toplists you talk about.

[lparm]

Here is where I rank the Klitschkos DieAntwoord

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Rocky Marciano
5. George Foreman
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Mike Tyson
8. Larry Holmes
9. Jack Johnson
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Sonny Liston
12. Bob Fitzsimmons
13. Joe Frazier
14. Max Schmelling
15. Rid**** Bowe
16. Vitali Klitschko
17. Sam Langford
18. John L Sullivan
19. Gene Tunney
20. Jim Jeffries
21. Max Baer
22. Harry Wills
23. Oliver Mccall
24. Wladimir Klitschko
25. FLoyd Patterson

I rank Vitali as high as I do because of his dominance over average opponents. He never fights down to his level of competition. Everyone ranked ahead of him has a signature win over a top 30 guy.

Top 25 ATG hw's

1. Wladimir Klitschko
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25. Vitali Klitschko