better wins....

[The_Demon]

When Martinez KO's you in the 2nd round you go from P4P top 5 to overrated.

When Donaire TKO's you in the 2nd round you were and always be world class.

Thats terrible logic

[REMOVED SHARK 97]

Thats terrible logic

Exactly, check out the posts which class Pwill as overrated now.

[Bring It On]

When Martinez KO's you in the 2nd round you go from P4P top 5 to overrated.

When Donaire TKO's you in the 2nd round you were and always be world class.

There where loads of people saying how overrated Williams was on here before he got KO'd though, me included.

[Walt Liquor]

thE answer to this question is donaire's wins.

But all you dumb asses that are trying to say pwill isn't world class are little faygolas (demon et al). Did you not see Sergio-pwill 1? How the *** is ghat not elite level boxing? Did you not see margs-pwill?

I don't know what your problems are but your biased little bit ches or you just hate any fighter burner likes.

To say pwill wasn't or isn't world class is just wrong.

[Walt Liquor]

There where loads of people saying how overrated Williams was on here before he got KO'd though, me included.

Overrated fighters always spank winky, beat a feared badass in margs '08, and one of the most blatantley talented fighters in the world in a 12 round classic, and avenge their loss on an obviously off night. Yup, sounds like an overrated guy to me.

[New England]

as of right now montiel and darchinyan will at least have their names on th HOF ballots


pavlik and williams arent even close, yet.


additionally, darchinyan was one of the most feared men in boxing at the time of the upset


if i remember correctly it was the upset of the year according to the ring.

[The_Demon]

Jesus,it looks like saying pwill is overrated really gets people going in NSB,that doesnt surprise me

The guy has some good wins and is a really good fighter,i still feel he was overrated by some,its just my opinion,sorry folks,if that makes me a 'dumbass' ,so be it

[Walt Liquor]

Jesus,it looks like saying pwill is overrated really gets people going in NSB,that doesnt surprise me

The guy has some good wins and is a really good fighter,i still feel he was overrated by some,its just my opinion,sorry folks,if that makes me a 'dumbass' ,so be it

you said he wasn't world class, I think that its obvious he was/is by the first sergio/pwill fight. if that's not a fight between two world class boxers, I must have only seen about 5 world class boxers in the last 24 months.

seems to be a lot of people shi tting on sergio round here since the donaire win.

[IronDanHamza]

It's arguable, obviously.

Hard to debate it's not a close comparison.

Donaire beat Vic and Monitel in superb fashion. Montiel arguablly being the best fighter in the deepest division today.

On the other hand, Sergio beat the Lineal Champion at 160, along with Paul Williams who was considered by many as a top 5 P4P fighter.

So obviously its close. Hard to split them.

[Bushbaby]

Seems to me like U have a clear biased & hidden agenda here,that's why U put when they fought them in there.But Martinez beat Pavlik & the Punisher back to back,clearly better in that consideration.So being that Martinez beat the lineal middleweight champ & the Punisher in a row,his wins are clearly better.