Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[cupocity303]

Ahem 2 defences

Ring Magazine means squat in this particular situation.

Chris Byrd was ranked Numero Uno for a long time, amongst the Title Holders at that time.

Wlad has beaten the best they had to offer for years, so it doesn't really matter when the Ring Magazine decided that their title is no longer going to be vacant.

Since there was no REAL CHAMPION to beat, him fighting Top Comp for 5 years, which amounts to nine IBF Title defenses, is just that, 9 defenses.

Just the same as I count Hopkins's 1990's IBF defenses to his overall 20 +.

[cupocity303]

Why are you so ****** you don't even know what "good" means? quit ducking the question and answer it.

Quit being a Low IQ'd Dip****.

[cklmaced]

Quit being a Low IQ'd Dip****.

Way to answer the question LOL I guess Berto is on his way to being the best WW of all time too.

[RubenSonny]

Ring Magazine means squat in this particular situation.

Chris Byrd was ranked Numero Uno for a long time, amongst the Title Holders at that time.

Wlad has beaten the best they had to offer for years, so it doesn't really matter when the Ring Magazine decided that their title is no longer going to be vacant.

Since there was no REAL CHAMPION to beat, him fighting Top Comp for 5 years, which amounts to nine IBF Title defenses, is just that, 9 defenses.

Just the same as I count Hopkins's 1990's IBF defenses to his overall 20 +.

I don't always agree with ring rankings I go with lineal championship and I believe a fresh champion is made when the number one and two contenders face off, I don't count all of Hopkins 20 "defences", but I obviously don't disregard wins while not being champ as I stated earlier I give Wlad credit for beating Byrd.

[cupocity303]

the difference being that Louis beat around 30 top fighters in his division.
so far Wladimir has beaten 10.(which is actually already a lot)

I dont put much stock in title defenses unless theyre against top guys...and that goes for any fighter of any era.

Top guys based on the Organized Rankings (WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO and Ring Magazine) or top guys based on per your Opinion?

If it's based on stats, then he did beat plenty of top guys and will continue to do so, as Heavyweight Champions don't like dropping their Sanctioning Body hardware and will face # 1 Mandatory Contenders when pressed to do so.

[cupocity303]

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Care to comment about anything else I said in that long post, besides that part?[/SIZE]

[Steak]

Top guys based on the Organized Rankings (WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO and Ring Magazine) or top guys based on per your Opinion?

If it's based on stats, then he did beat plenty of top guys and will continue to do so, as Heavyweight Champions don't like dropping their Sanctioning Body hardware and will face # 1 Mandatory Contenders when pressed to do so.[/SIZE]

guys who are more or less universally considered the best in the division. not the alphabet belts, their rankings are god awful, plus they dont rank boxers with competing belts(which completely kills the rankings even worse)
for Wladimir he has Byrdx2, Peterx2, Chagaev, Ibragimov, McCline, Brock, Brewster, Thompson and Chagaev...I dont think you could add anyone else.

[cupocity303]

you are aware that most fighters train in the traditional sense, correct? Punching bag, jumping rope, punch pads, sparring, running, etc...nothings changed other than maybe the usage of weights, and guys like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Tyson, and Roy Jones(some of the best athletes in the sport more recently) never lifted heavy weights in their prime.

also, you do know that the p4p #1 in the world right now grew up in **** conditions without good sources of nutrition, right?

You shouldn't mention him, since somebody could chime in and tell you about the secret nutrition Ariza provides him with, that make him the Top Condition beast that he is.

And no they don't train the same, not all of them. As I already said, technology has changed. Did you see what JMM did in preparation for Floyd (and I'm not talking about drinking his own piss)?

ON top of running up a mountain, he used Oxygen mask to replenish his lungs. Did they do this in the old days? Were any of the guys in the past as ripped as most are today?

NO but that's off topic, since that's Evolution of the Athlete.

[hweightblogger]

LARRY HOLMES WON THE TITLE AGAINST KEN NORTON IN THE 70s. HE WAS A 70s HEAVYWEIGHT.
and most certainly Norton was a 70s HW. and slightly past prime him gave Holmes absolute hell. so looks like 70s werent so ****ing bad, were they?

Look, technically it's correct that Holmes started in the 1970ies (just like Wlad started in the 90s), although he is generally (and by me) considered an 80s great. If this definition issue ("Holmes is 70s fighter vs Holmes is 80s fighter") is your only problem then, yes, Holmes and Foreman are the only 2 exceptions.

so Holmes would do well in todays era...but someone who took him life and death wouldnt.

Holmes would do rather well, but he would get schooled by the Klitschkos nevertheless. Norton, who not even once won the world title, would be far less competitive than Holmes.

you keep saying that being bigger=you have a better chin. THIS. IS. WRONG.

Not bigger. HEAVIER. But there are always some heavy guys who have weak chins, of course.

There are so many examples is staggering. Wladimir obviously doesnt have as good a chin as Holyfield, and Holyfield started his career at 175lb and even at his largest was 20 something lbs less than him.

Don't try to argue against the obvious. A featherweight will hardly KO a heavyweight. That's a no-brainer. Not even a bummy heavyweight.

WEIGHT MATTERS. That's why there are WEIGHT divisions. And that's why Evan Fields' KOratio decrease with the weight of his opponents (see my post above). There is no arguing around that fact.

Of course if you are outweighed only a little and if you yourself are a quality fighter and if your opponent is not a quality fighter you can still KO him. But it gets harder and harder.

This not only applies to featherfists like The Clay or Evan Fields. Even Vitali Klitschko couldn't KO some of his above-average-weighing guys: Johnson, Hoffmann, Briggs, Lewis.

Valuev doesnt hit harder than Tyson, despite his 100lb weight advantage. whoops, hes top ten in todays divison, cant call him a bum either.

Valuev does not hit harder than Tyson. I didn't say that the punch power increases with weight. But Valuev wasn't KOed unlike Tyson. That's my whole point: The punch resistance increases.

and lol at you saying that you didnt see the punches that Holyfield hit Foreman with, but you know theyre weak. Holyfield knocked down and hurt Mercer, something Lewis couldnt do.
LEWIS=FEATHERFISTED.

You are again singling out fights. You can not deduct anything from single fights. It's the whole record/resume. Otherwise you could take a 1-60 bum (= 1 win and 60 losses) and then deduct things from this one win.

Moreover the fight went the distance. Spare me knockdowns as some kind of power proof. Especially at heavyweight KDs can happen without any further meaning.

[RubenSonny]

Care to comment about anything else I said in that long post, besides that part?[/SIZE]

I generally agree with the notion that single division fighters can get underrated in comparison to weight climbers, especially with day before weigh-ins which has got weight-classes partially porous, if thats what you were getting at?

guys who are more or less universally considered the best in the division. not the alphabet belts, their rankings are god awful, plus they dont rank boxers with competing belts(which completely kills the rankings even worse)
for Wladimir he has Byrdx2, Peterx2, Chagaev, Ibragimov, McCline, Brock, Brewster, Thompson and Chagaev...I dont think you could add anyone else.

Thompson is another good win I forgot that, I wouldn't rate Peter in the second meeting.