Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[DET. IRONSIDE]

George Foreman: "The Klitschkos would be great fighters in any era"

Either Klitschko beats any HW from any era.

In the 70s? The K Bros would need to learn to handle defeat and comeback and how it feels not to be dominant and to fight a solid competitior at least once a year. And we're not talking chickens like David Haye, we're talking bad MFers like Kenny Norton, Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Holmes. Maybe three of those class of fighter in a year to get a title shot. Which they will never do.

Foreman is the kinda champ who came along and just held the belt.

He looks up to the Klitschkos because he never defended the title as long as them. The man collapsed after his defeats and became an emotional wreck who had to take a ten year lay off cos he went crazy chasing Ali.

The length of time they have held their belts they are in the league with the likes of Ali, Lewis, Leonard and Robinson. These guys are greats because of the way they dealt with defeat, like champions.

K Bros psychology hasn't been tested and Vitali is a bad loser fromwhat we've seen.

Would both guys crumble like Foreman or Liston?

Would they deal with it like champions?

No one knows.

[americanbot]

Wait...Lewis fought a Shavers style? He fought a Foreman style? HAVE YOU WATCHED BOXING? Seriously you know **** about ****.

And fat opponents...If thats how you are judging people, how many 250 pound guys with 6 pack abs did Ali fight? None? OK STFU and get out of here.

Howd frazier do against Foreman? How is he going to do with someone with a better chin than Foreman, taller, stronger, and smarter? Who fights taller, who throws more punches, who uses space better?

Shavers lost to a fighter with a losing record in his prime. A losing record. In his prime. It wasnt like a one hit shot either, he was UD'd. Although Shavers did have a china chin as well...can you imagine that chin of his in the ring with a guy like Vitali...a guy with the greatest KO% of any HW champ.

Why do people always bring up Shavers. Whenever I read a post and I see Shavers brought up, I know right away I am dealing with a moron.

Shavers against fighters over 215 lbs who did not have a losing record:

7 wins 8 losses
One win was to a 1982 version of Joe Bugner...not sure if that should count, but lets count it anyways

2 were against Henry Clark...who didnt win another fight in his career, completely shot

1 against a guy names Roy Williams

1 against 88 year old ken norton

And who could forget his win over the Michigan State Heavyweight Champ Ali Hakiim...who also never won another fight...

Clearly size destroyed Shavers...and these are guys over 215...

Shavers beat one fighter in his entire career over 225 lbs...that was Joe Bugner who that same year lost to MARVIS FRAZIER. And Joe Bugner was all fat, he started his career at 200 lbs...he was in his prime at 210...he weighed 245 lbs for Shavers.

So how the hell do you, with any rationale think Shavers would beat a Klitschko. These arent great big men he was losing to either, eh couldnt handle guys over 215...let alone 250 of muscle.

lewis fought a foreman & shavers style against vitali. YES. it was more of a "let loose" style vs a smart technical style....I would suggest you to pull your f@g hole off of the broom stick & see realty for what it is......why do you think klit fans HATE replying to me HAHAHA because i am very educated & knowledgeable about my vintage heavyweights & they know i won't let them get away with LIES & propaganda.

first thing RET@RD. vitali doesn't have a better chin then foreman. foreman was fighting MUCH higher competition then what vitali has ever fought.....getting hit by fat slop is a lot different then getting hit by ACTUAL solid heavyweights through out your career. foreman even fought a prime holyfield competitively for 12 rounds.....theres no questions about foremans chin....foreman has a better chin then ether klit.....foreman has more power then ether klit. the klits are taller then foreman & thats about it. fraizer got knocked out by a stronger rougher bull. both klits power are COMPLETELY OVERRATED. klits knocking out fat slop while building their ko % doesn't = more power then foreman you DELIRIOUS ******.


vitali is very robot like & he can't fight on the inside to save his a** hole. he's very EASY to catch over & over again if you can get past that jab (thats because he has no legs & can't dance away......he has NO INSIDE GAME whats so ever. extremely robot like & predictable once you get passed that jab) fraizer is like a BBQ pit. once he starts weaving under that jab he explodes off the top quickly with hard hooks & he keeps at it with insanely high stamina (once he gets going he's gonna be *smoking* all FIFTEEN rounds) vitali would be there to be caught over & over again because fraizer would immediately take his jab away from him & make it a inside fight.....foreman would stop vitali & possibly hospitalize wlad. both wlad & vitali don't know how to dance around the ring like ali or make a opponent miss like ali did. they rely on a jab & once foreman bulls his way past their jab.....ITS DINNER TIME. they have NO clue what to do with foreman on the inside. i think shavers would ko wlad. i think wlad would get caught by a hard shavers shot & start chicken dancing. if you were to replace ali with wlad (when shavers fought ali) REPLACE ALI WITH WLAD ON THAT NIGHT.....& WLAD GETS ko'd into dream world.

ALL KLIT FANS (WHICH IS REALLY JUST ONE PERSON WITH A MILLION ACCOUNTS) KNOW NOT TO REPLY TO ME. I WILL NOT STAND FOR LIES AND PROPAGANDA IN AN ATTEMPT TO PUSH F@G FILLED AGENDAS. MY C*CK GETS HARD WHEN I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RIP YOUR A** CAVITY INTO.

[americanbot]

bum.......

[cklmaced]

Vitali Klitschko vs Lennox Lewis

THE TRUTH

Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice.

Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the controversial doctor stoppage. Lewis was badly hurt, was holding on for dear life and was staggering around the ring like a drunk, he barely survived the 2nd round. Lewis was getting outboxed, outworked, outlanded and was badly hurt several times in the fight.

punches landed

Vitali 156

Lewis 102


Lewis was exhausted, worn down and hurt from the accumulation of punches and was ready to get KTFO again, he collapsed onto his stool at the end of the 6th round, Vitali was clearly the fresher of the two, he was a man on a mission and would've KO'd Lewis for sure if the fight had continued.

All the fans at Staples Center cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis after the fight.

Lewis promised Vitali a rematch.

Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds and called out Lewis again in the post fight interview. The scared Lewis retired shortly after that fight.

Lewis turned down 30 million dollars for a rematch and retired like a coward because he knew he would get destroyed by Vitali.

Vitali dominated Lewis and scared his bitch ass into retirement.



George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!"

Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight"

Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch.

Lewis is scared to death of Vitali.

Real truth Lewis also took that fight on 10 days notice clown he was supposed to fight Johnson. Klitschko was on the undercard so when Johnson pulled out they "BOTH" agreed to just do the fight there and then. Vitali was next to fight Lewis anyway.

The fans "booed" the decision to stop the fight. Doctor said Vitali couldn't see his finger without moving his head so he "HAD" to stop the fight as Vitali couldn't see the punches. He need 60 sitches to his face after the fight.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/galle...&story=3631874 yeah Vitali looked like he had in the bag LOL.

[MRBOOMER]

Ali was prime in 67...haha why? Because he beat a legitimate cripple in Cleveland Williams, and was coming off of 2 fixed fights with Sonny Liston...Oh I forgot...he beat Ernie Terrell...WHO LOST MORE IN 1967 THAN VITALI HAS IN HIS CAREER. Wow...what a great win...beating a guy who lost 3 times that year...way to go. Oh he truly was the greatest of all time...the way he dispatched of a guy who was shot in the stomach and one who lost 3 times that year.

Your whole argument is based on A > B, B>C, C>A, thats nonsense. Did you know Tommy Machine Gunn beat a younger Foreman than the one who won the Lineal title, Tommy Machine Gunn beat Foreman easy, Holyfield struggled with him, so Tommy Gunn would have easily beat Holyfield, Holyfield beat Tyson, so that means Tommy Gunn would have beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes easy, and Holmes massacred Ali...therefore Tommy Gunn would have been the greatest fighter of the 70's. Your argument is ridiculous. Heavyweights who add weight and stay in decent shape, have proven time and time again that they can win fluke fights because their chins tend to actually improve due to the extra weight and brain damage, and their punch tends to be the last thing to fade.

The Wepner fight was months apart from Foreman. Foreman is by far Ali's best win. You want to talk about an Ali that was knocked unconcious by 188 pound, a guy who would be a LHW today, Henry Coop Cooperson. A guy who refused to rematch Jones because he was a big time coward. A guy who had to cheat in matches, who caused cuts because his gloves were cut during matches and concealed, gloves with rips in them...CAUSE MORE CUTS.

Vitali was hurt early in the fight and continued and it kept getting worse. He dealt with Byrd easily, he was never hurt, didnt have a cut or a mark on him, you do realize how pathetic it is that you defend Ali who was literally knocked unconcious by a 188 pounder, but criticize Vitali for taking some shots in a fight. Wow...You mean Vitali was hit? Guys hit him at times? HE SUCKS. TERRIBLE BOXER. SOMEONE HIT HIM.

Haha and I love how you talk about prime. Its funny, all these clowns talking about Ali's prime...but then bring up Chris Byrd...not only did Vitali take the Byrd fight on a weeks notice after prepping for Ruddock...could you find 2 different fighters? But he was 3.5 years into his pro boxing career at the time, and he still only lost what? one round? and wasnt hurt at all other than a shoulder injury from punching byrd in the face? He gave an interview after the fight where he wasnt even breathing heavily. His shoulder hurt and he didnt really understand the magnitude of a loss, he was used to kickboxing where fighters fight all the time and its more of a tourney structure. Trust me...he gets it now. He wasnt upset after the Byrd loss, he was totally stoic, he said simply, "i didnt think I could win the remaining rounds...why continue and risk injury?"

We get it, you worship old parkinsoned riddled men. Theres plenty of youtube videos of them and a boxing history section go back and talk about the time when Ali took on Jesus and slayed him or the time when George Foreman punched through the great wall...we get it.

bringing up Cooney like he fought anything like Vitali...Cooney was 2 inches shorter, no where near the same shape, nowhere close to the same style and the COONEY FOREMAN BEAT WAS RETIRED FOR 3 YEARS, IN HIS LAST FIGHT OF HIS CAREER, HAD NOT WON IN 4 YEARS, HAD FOUGHT 6 TIMES IN 10 YEARS. Get out of here with that ****. What the hell are you tlaking about. An old George Foreman beat a retired fighter who in his prime was nothing like Vitali but was kind of tall?

Go back to the boxing history section with your tired ****.

Man you do reliaze that around the time Ali fought Cooper he barely weighed 200 pounds it's a 10 pound difference you make it sound like Ali weighed about 250 and got sat down by a 188 pounder you ever been hit with a perfect left hook off blame from a 188 pound man while you was off blanance and got up just fine?

[MRBOOMER]

Not trying to say wald is on roids but why does he look like he's on roids or is he just that buff

[americanbot]

Not trying to say wald is on roids but why does he look like he's on roids or is he just that buff

I'm not sure about wlad but i KNOW vitali is on steroids......i can bet my HOUSE that vitali won't do anything BUT urine test. he's a CHEAT & the world doesn't even know it.......

[hweightblogger]

And fat opponents...If thats how you are judging people, how many 250 pound guys with 6 pack abs did Ali fight? None? OK STFU and get out of here.

Frazier and Holmes and The Clay (for many fights) themselves were fat. It's really hard to find a picture with Clay's sixpack somewhere.

When you watch 1970s fights it's obvious that Clay's era had no athleticism edge over the current era.

Shavers against fighters over 215 lbs who did not have a losing record:

7 wins 8 losses
One win was to a 1982 version of Joe Bugner...not sure if that should count, but lets count it anyways

2 were against Henry Clark...who didnt win another fight in his career, completely shot

1 against a guy names Roy Williams

1 against 88 year old ken norton

And who could forget his win over the Michigan State Heavyweight Champ Ali Hakiim...who also never won another fight...

Clearly size destroyed Shavers...and these are guys over 215...

But you are slightly missing the point. Shavers had 90+ fights (that's a lot)...

...But when you check whether he is a genuine KOer or a cherry-picker (like Sonny Liston by the way, whose KOpower is also grossly overrated by good-old-time nostalgists) then the following turns out:

• If you exclude all opponents who have been KOed before
• and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers)

it turns out that Shavers KOed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs) of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs) and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

THAT's Shavers' KO record in a nutshell.

Moreover:
Shavers' KOratio against sub-200 opponents: 91% (31 of 34)
Shavers' KOratio against 200-214 opponents: 81% (27 of 33)
Shavers' KOratio against 215+ opponents: 47% (11 of 23)

Nowadays Shavers would be nothing but a featherfist.

So how the hell do you, with any rationale think Shavers would beat a Klitschko. These arent great big men he was losing to either, eh couldnt handle guys over 215...let alone 250 of muscle.

Shavers wouldn't pose a danger nowadays. Wlad fought 20 times against guys who have a better KOratio 215+ than Shavers. Let's also not forget that Shavers has been KOed 7 times.

[Ascended]

Only crazy people say they would lose the 70s was full of people way less advanced then these guys they would be undefeated

Blogger and die told the truth and crazy followers still trolled saying how klits would lose to outdated fighters crazy people

[MikeyMike100]

Yes theyd dominate. Great fighters who are that big would dominate in earlier areas.