Simple question for people who put Klitschko in their ATG list

[Spray_resistant]

How can you be a 'great' if you don't beat even one 'great'?

Doesn't make sense to me.

A good lengthy consistent body of work will do for me in the absence of great opponents, and I would say means alot more and is a testament to a fighters true standing. Is Hasim Rahman great because he beat Lewis or is he even better than Wlad because of that one win over a great fighter?

[IIG]

How can you be a 'great' if you don't beat even one 'great'?

Doesn't make sense to me.

You just won't get it then.

[Drunk Punch]

You just won't get it then.

So Joe Calzaghe and Sven Ottke should be considered greats then?

[Instinto]

So Joe Calzaghe and Sven Ottke should be considered greats then?

Are saying Calzaghe is not great??

[Steak]

top ten fighters that Wladimir beat:
Sam Peter x2
Jameel McCline
Chris Byrdx2
Calvin Brock
Lamon Brewster
Tony Thompson
Ruslan Chagaev
Eddie Chambers

[Drunk Punch]

Are saying Calzaghe is not great??

I would say opinion is divided.

You could argue Calzaghe beat two greats in RJJ and Bhop. Even three if you include Eubank. So I would say he has a stronger claim than Wlad.

I just don't understand how you get on a great list without actually beating another great. Is it enough to have a long unbeaten run against mediocre opponents?

[Steak]

Wladimir Klitschko has a great resume:

- All Time Great and Hall Of Famer

- Most dominant fighter in the world

- Has pretty much cleaned out the HW division

- IBF/WBO/IBO/RING Unified Heavyweight Champion Of The World

- Rightful WBA Heavyweight Champ

- Olympic Gold Medalist

- 49 KOs in 55 wins

- Has made 16 dominant world title defences

- Has defeated 8 world heavyweight champions:

Chris Byrd I (31-1)
Chris Byrd II (39-2)
Samuel Peter I (24-0)
Samuel Peter II (34-3)
Ruslan Chagaev (25-0)
Sultan Ibragimov (22-0)
Lamon Brewster (33-3)
Hasim Rahman (45-5)
Francois Botha (44-3)
Ray Mercer (30-4)

- Has defeated tons of top contenders:

Eddie Chambers (35-1)
Tony Thompson (31-1)
Jameel McCline (28-2)
Calvin Brock (29-0)
Monte Barrett (23-0)
Ray Austin (24-3)
Axel Schulz (26-3)
DaVarryl Williamson (20-2)
Derrick Jefferson (23-2)
Charles Shufford (17-1)
Eliseo Castillo (18-0)
etc.....

- Has defeated 8 undefeated fighters:

Ruslan Chagaev (25-0)
Sultan Ibragimov (22-0)
Samuel Peter (24-0)
Calvin Brock (29-0)
Monte Barrett (23-0)
Eliseo Castillo (18-0)
Zoran Vujecic (14-0)
Najee Shaheed (16-0)

Next Victims: Dereck Chisora and David Haye

Botha was never a HW titlist.

[Spray_resistant]

I would say opinion is divided.

You could argue Calzaghe beat two greats in RJJ and Bhop. Even three if you include Eubank. So I would say he has a stronger claim than Wlad.

I just don't understand how you get on a great list without actually beating another great. Is it enough to have a long unbeaten run against mediocre opponents?

What makes the opponents mediocre? because they are losing to him?

[Steak]

I would say opinion is divided.

You could argue Calzaghe beat two greats in RJJ and Bhop. Even three if you include Eubank. So I would say he has a stronger claim than Wlad.

I just don't understand how you get on a great list without actually beating another great. Is it enough to have a long unbeaten run against mediocre opponents?

there are no 'great' heavyweights in this division. its unfair to say he can never become great without beating a great when none exist.

If Ali or Louis or someone was stuck in this division destroying everyone, they would still deserve to be ATGs even though they had no good opponents.

[Drunk Punch]

there are no 'great' heavyweights in this division. its unfair to say he can never become great without beating a great when none exist.

If Ali or Louis or someone was stuck in this division destroying everyone, they would still deserve to be ATGs even though they had no good opponents.

You are right, it is a bit unfair if there are no greats out there to beat.