Simple question for people who put Klitschko in their ATG list

**Come∂ian** · 02-28-2011, 11:22 PM

**Spray_resistant** · 02-28-2011, 11:26 PM

Well his career isn't over yet so its hard to say if he ends up on most ppls ATG lists but I think longevity says more about a fighter than any singular win. If he makes it to 20 defenses against ok-good comp because those are the best guys around its a bit silly to disqualify him as one of the best champions ever because other fighters just were not anywhere near as good as him.

**Instinto** · 02-28-2011, 11:33 PM

He beat a LOAD of Slick African-Americans: Eddie Chambers, Tony Thompson, Ray Austin, Hasim Rahman, Chris Byrd, Calvin Brock, Lamon Brewster and the list goes on.

**Steelhammer2011** · 02-28-2011, 11:35 PM

Wladimir Klitschko has a great resume:

- All Time Great and Hall Of Famer

- Most dominant fighter in the world

- Has pretty much cleaned out the HW division

- IBF/WBO/IBO/RING Unified Heavyweight Champion Of The World

- Rightful WBA Heavyweight Champ

- Olympic Gold Medalist

- 49 KOs in 55 wins

- Has made 16 dominant world title defences

- Has defeated 8 world heavyweight champions:

Chris Byrd I (31-1)
Chris Byrd II (39-2)
Samuel Peter I (24-0)
Samuel Peter II (34-3)
Ruslan Chagaev (25-0)
Sultan Ibragimov (22-0)
Lamon Brewster (33-3)
Hasim Rahman (45-5)
Francois Botha (44-3)
Ray Mercer (30-4)

- Has defeated tons of top contenders:

Eddie Chambers (35-1)
Tony Thompson (31-1)
Jameel McCline (28-2)
Calvin Brock (29-0)
Monte Barrett (23-0)
Ray Austin (24-3)
Axel Schulz (26-3)
DaVarryl Williamson (20-2)
Derrick Jefferson (23-2)
Charles Shufford (17-1)
Eliseo Castillo (18-0)
etc.....

- Has defeated 8 undefeated fighters:

Ruslan Chagaev (25-0)
Sultan Ibragimov (22-0)
Samuel Peter (24-0)
Calvin Brock (29-0)
Monte Barrett (23-0)
Eliseo Castillo (18-0)
Zoran Vujecic (14-0)
Najee Shaheed (16-0)

Next Victims: Dereck Chisora and David Haye

**THe TRiNiTY** · 02-28-2011, 11:37 PM

I don't think that I would put him in my ATG list of Heavyweights just yet. However, when you talk about this type of thing, it depends on what you look at.

If you want to talk about him in the sense that he hasn't beat the best Heavyweights, you have a point. However, that's not the only thing that makes a fighter great.

He's been undefeated in his last 13 fights. 10 by way of knockout. He's been knockout by lesser opponents, however he's lasted the test of time and has gone to the top. He's the true champion at Heavyweight and has essentially round up all the championships. The only ones he hasn't are those held by his older brother and David Haye's. With Vitali, it's obvious why that fight hasn't happened.

With Haye, that's a whole different story. Still, he does have the only championship that matters. Big KO percentage, close to 60 fights with only three losses and more than 50 wins. You can't just look over this.

In terms of domination, he's a decent contender for ATG status. Still, I think he needs a couple big wins.

The best thing that could happen to him is that he beats Haye while Solis beats Vitali. If he avenged that loss, he'd be able to start closing up with career with two big wins.

**Spray_resistant** · 02-28-2011, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by THe TRiNiTY

I don't think that I would put him in my ATG list of Heavyweights just yet. However, when you talk about this type of thing, it depends on what you look at.

If you want to talk about him in the sense that he hasn't beat the best Heavyweights, you have a point. However, that's not the only thing that makes a fighter great.

He's been undefeated in his last 13 fights. 10 by way of knockout. He's been knockout by lesser opponents, however he's lasted the test of time and has gone to the top. He's the true champion at Heavyweight and has essentially round up all the championships. The only ones he hasn't are those held by his older brother and David Haye's. With Vitali, it's obvious why that fight hasn't happened.

With Haye, that's a whole different story. Still, he does have the only championship that matters. Big KO percentage, close to 60 fights with only three losses and more than 50 wins. You can't just look over this.

In terms of domination, he's a decent contender for ATG status. Still, I think he needs a couple big wins.

The best thing that could happen to him is that he beats Haye while Solis beats Vitali. If he avenged that loss, he'd be able to start closing up with career with two big wins.

The best thing that could happen to Wlad's career and legacy is that big bro loses and he avenges the loss.

**Drunk Punch** · 02-28-2011, 11:40 PM

He beat what was out there, he gets props for that.

Unfortunately there was nothing great out there to beat, so he can't be an ATG. Can he?

**studentofthegam** · 02-28-2011, 11:41 PM

He hasnt beat any greats because they weren't available. He's been dominant over the guys that were available. I dont have a problem with him making the list as long as its not too high.

**Drunk Punch** · 02-28-2011, 11:43 PM

How can you be a 'great' if you don't beat even one 'great'?

Doesn't make sense to me.

Simple question for people who put Klitschko in their ATG list