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Last edited by jknightx; 02-27-2011, 04:09 PM.
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Originally posted by lfc19titles View Posthaye is quicker, a stronger and more agile than the klits. he has a higher ko percentage than the klits
Haye KOed cruisers. KOing cruisers is irrelevant. He has hardly any experience in KOing real heavyweights.
Haye's median KOvictim is 198 lbs. Wlad's is 233 lbs.
I have analyzed a lot of fighters: One can not deduct from KOing cruisers how the KOperformance against genuine heavyweights would be. Against genuine heavyweights (215+ lbs) Shavers is a featherfist, actually Frazier, Ali were all brilliant against cruisers but as soon as the weight increased their KOratios dropped and they would be featherfists nowadays or even extreme featherfists, just to give you a few examples:
name..................|KOratio.against..|KOratio.r eal.heavyweight|KOratio.genuine.heavyweight....... ...
......................|sub-200.opponents|(200x2).................|(215x2.or.2 15_2.when.not.enough.data)
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Muhammad.Ali..........|79.1%.(19of24)...|34.3%.(11 of32)..........|27.2%.(3of11)..................... ...
Mike.Tyson............|100.0%.(5of5)....|78.0%.(39 of50)..........|73.6%.(28of38).................... ...
Joe.Frazier...........|100.0%.(17of17)..|44.4%.(8o f18)...........|45.4%.(5of11)..................... ...
Evander.Holyfield.....|77.7%.(14of18)...|40.0%.(14 of35)..........|26.6%.(4of15)..................... ...
Larry.Holmes..........|50.0%.(4of8).....|58.4%.(38 of65)..........|33.3%.(8of24)..................... ...
Earnie.Shavers........|90.9%.(30of33)...|68.4%.(39 of57)..........|47.8%.(11of23).................... ...
Cleveland.Williams....|76.0%.(38of50)...|48.7%.(19 of39)..........|55.0%.(11of20).................... ...
(I excluded NCs, WDQs and Headbutt fights)
You see how ancient fighters (Frazier, Shavers) are considered hard hitters whereas in modern times they wouldn't even be a serious KO threat.
Now, I am not saying that Haye isn't a heavy hitter, but I am saying that his heavyweight career is too inconclusive (= too little fights) to make any statements about his KOpower.
Originally posted by lfc19titles View Posthis one punch power is devastating
Moreover Haye's KO power will be pretty irrelevant because it's Haye's chin that will matter. It's far more difficult to withstand Wlad's accurate shots than Haye's missing shots.
Judging by the difficulties Haye had to manage to contact Ruiz' chin it's pretty safe to assume that Haye won't land much on Wlad's chin.Last edited by hweightblogger; 02-27-2011, 06:08 PM.
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Originally posted by WladimirK View PostYou get stuck thinking that it's Klitschko's avoiding Haye. You think that Haye will just take either of them and beat them easily. Who are those home people you are laughing about. Are you laughing by yourself?
ye,i do think he beats either of them easy if he trains right and is focused during the fight.He has everything in his style to beat either.and they do have power to beat him,but not much else.
lol,my bad,spelling error,some i meant to say!.
Some people think that any boxer they dont like will automatically get knocked out for certain.
like people saying donaire was a fraud that was to get "knocked the **** out" and they get proved wrong,cuz they dont even think of styles and how good this or that boxer is,they just dislike the boxer so want and think that the boxer they dislike is getting knocked out without fail and without any doubt over it.
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Originally posted by dvb View PostHe has everything in his style to beat either.
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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostYou obviously haven't watched the Ruiz fight - either that or you're just fantasising. The most basic requirement for anyone who hopes to beat either of the Klitschkos is the ability to negate a world class jab.
Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostRuiz landed his jab almost at will against Haye.
For a moment it also looked as Haye was KDed in round #1 but bounced off the ropes. I found Haye's amateurishness astonishing.
THE ONLY uncertainty is Wlad's promise to wait for 11 rounds to KO Haye in the 12th ("pizza face promise"). It could mean that Wlad slows down on purpose and then gets punished himself by a Haye's signature rabbit punch or by a lucky bingo blast.
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Gayevid had been brewing for the past 3 years, ever since he got to the HWs. More talk from Gayevid. Lying vagina clown might as well retire now.
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I think Klitschko-Haye really happening is very unlikely.
It's just wishful thinking on the part of many fans like myself because we very much want to see this fight.
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Originally posted by Freedom! View PostI think Klitschko-Haye really happening is very unlikely.
It's just wishful thinking on the part of many fans like myself because we very much want to see this fight.
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