Comments Thread For: Haye: Something on The Horizon, Things Are Brewing

[jknightx]

wlad is avoiding haye or he wouldnt have arranged the chisora fight

haye is quicker, a stronger and more agile than the klits. he has a higher ko percentage than the klits, his one punch power is devastating and will knock both of them out even if its 2 vs 1

Haye has a slightly higher ko ratio but about half as many fights as the Klitchkos,in fact they have more knockouts than Haye has fights. If we wnet by just ko ratios and did not factor amount of fights,that would mean that when Arreola fought Vitali he was undefeated and had 25 knocks out of 27 wins,witch means by your logic Arreola was better than Haye until he fought Vitali,And Haye may be faster than Vitali,but stronger is just your opinion.And Vitali is the better boxer.

[hweightblogger]

haye is quicker, a stronger and more agile than the klits. he has a higher ko percentage than the klits

You make a major mistake here:

Haye KOed cruisers. KOing cruisers is irrelevant. He has hardly any experience in KOing real heavyweights.

Haye's median KOvictim is 198 lbs. Wlad's is 233 lbs.

I have analyzed a lot of fighters: One can not deduct from KOing cruisers how the KOperformance against genuine heavyweights would be. Against genuine heavyweights (215+ lbs) Shavers is a featherfist, actually Frazier, Ali were all brilliant against cruisers but as soon as the weight increased their KOratios dropped and they would be featherfists nowadays or even extreme featherfists, just to give you a few examples:

name..................|KOratio.against..|KOratio.r eal.heavyweight|KOratio.genuine.heavyweight....... ...
......................|sub-200.opponents|(200x2).................|(215x2.or.2 15_2.when.not.enough.data)
----------------------+-----------------+------------------------+-------------------------------------
Muhammad.Ali..........|79.1%.(19of24)...|34.3%.(11 of32)..........|27.2%.(3of11)..................... ...
Mike.Tyson............|100.0%.(5of5)....|78.0%.(39 of50)..........|73.6%.(28of38).................... ...
Joe.Frazier...........|100.0%.(17of17)..|44.4%.(8o f18)...........|45.4%.(5of11)..................... ...
Evander.Holyfield.....|77.7%.(14of18)...|40.0%.(14 of35)..........|26.6%.(4of15)..................... ...
Larry.Holmes..........|50.0%.(4of8).....|58.4%.(38 of65)..........|33.3%.(8of24)..................... ...
Earnie.Shavers........|90.9%.(30of33)...|68.4%.(39 of57)..........|47.8%.(11of23).................... ...
Cleveland.Williams....|76.0%.(38of50)...|48.7%.(19 of39)..........|55.0%.(11of20).................... ...

(I excluded NCs, WDQs and Headbutt fights)

You see how ancient fighters (Frazier, Shavers) are considered hard hitters whereas in modern times they wouldn't even be a serious KO threat.

Now, I am not saying that Haye isn't a heavy hitter, but I am saying that his heavyweight career is too inconclusive (= too little fights) to make any statements about his KOpower.

his one punch power is devastating

Except that it took Haye 9 rounds to KO shot Ruiz.

Moreover Haye's KO power will be pretty irrelevant because it's Haye's chin that will matter. It's far more difficult to withstand Wlad's accurate shots than Haye's missing shots.

Judging by the difficulties Haye had to manage to contact Ruiz' chin it's pretty safe to assume that Haye won't land much on Wlad's chin.

[dvb]

You get stuck thinking that it's Klitschko's avoiding Haye. You think that Haye will just take either of them and beat them easily. Who are those home people you are laughing about. Are you laughing by yourself?

im not stuck doing anything,you tell yourself haye is avoiding wlad,but theres a lot that points that he is doing the exact opposite!.

ye,i do think he beats either of them easy if he trains right and is focused during the fight.He has everything in his style to beat either.and they do have power to beat him,but not much else.

lol,my bad,spelling error,some i meant to say!.

Some people think that any boxer they dont like will automatically get knocked out for certain.

like people saying donaire was a fraud that was to get "knocked the **** out" and they get proved wrong,cuz they dont even think of styles and how good this or that boxer is,they just dislike the boxer so want and think that the boxer they dislike is getting knocked out without fail and without any doubt over it.

[Dave Rado]

He has everything in his style to beat either.

You obviously haven't watched the Ruiz fight - either that or you're just fantasising. The most basic requirement for anyone who hopes to beat either of the Klitschkos is the ability to negate a world class jab. Ruiz landed his jab almost at will against Haye.

[hweightblogger]

You obviously haven't watched the Ruiz fight - either that or you're just fantasising. The most basic requirement for anyone who hopes to beat either of the Klitschkos is the ability to negate a world class jab.

Wlad has also excellent footwork and judging by Haye's terrible misses against Ruiz it will be one of Haye's biggest problems.

Ruiz landed his jab almost at will against Haye.

You could even make a case that Ruiz should have actually led by a wide margin on the scorecards had the referee counted the KDs as what they were: point-deducting rabbit punches.

For a moment it also looked as Haye was KDed in round #1 but bounced off the ropes. I found Haye's amateurishness astonishing.

THE ONLY uncertainty is Wlad's promise to wait for 11 rounds to KO Haye in the 12th ("pizza face promise"). It could mean that Wlad slows down on purpose and then gets punished himself by a Haye's signature rabbit punch or by a lucky bingo blast.

[WladIsTheChamp]

Gayevid had been brewing for the past 3 years, ever since he got to the HWs. More talk from Gayevid. Lying vagina clown might as well retire now.

[The Hammer]

I think Klitschko-Haye really happening is very unlikely.

It's just wishful thinking on the part of many fans like myself because we very much want to see this fight.

[Dave Rado]

I think Klitschko-Haye really happening is very unlikely.

It's just wishful thinking on the part of many fans like myself because we very much want to see this fight.

Actually the opposite is the case. It's very likely to happen this time, because Sky have forced Haye into a position where he has no real choice; and it's actually the opposite of wishful thinking that makes you say it's unlikely - you don't want to get your hopes up for fear of being let down again, so you're being more pessimistic about it than there are any rational grounds for being.