Would you support a boxer who beats up women?

[The Gambler1981]

This discussion was going very well, but we know why this thread was made, and why 1 name keeps coming up, you are correct in say that this is a bigger issue, but dont fall into the trap of ignorant haters.

& yes if Mayweather is found guilty he should go to jail, but that doesn't change his or any other fighters accomplishments within the ring. You don't have to respect the man, just the athlete and his contribution to the sport.

It is still going alright, and I am trying not to derail it. We will see how it goes.

I used to be real good at avoiding traps but lately I have been much more involved in that junk. It will eventually lead me to taking a break from the forum again but I am here for right now.

[Dale Cardon]

If my fav fighter goes to jail because he beat his wife... I will have no problem with that. However, I would still want to see him fight in the ring.

If floyd goes to jail for beating his kids momma, I think he deserves it. I still want him to fight Pac even inside the slammer.

For boxers, boxing is about getting in the ring and fighting the best to be the best. For boxing fans, it is about seeing two gladiators **** each other inside the ring and getting entertained in the process.

Pac/floyd fight is pure entertainment for me.

[Pacquiao'd]

ts isgettingpwned

[elhijoprodigo]

Found this piece:
Boxers are required to register their hands as "lethal weapons." = Not true.

Research has failed to reveal any statutory, regulatory or other requirement that boxers -- or anyone skilled in martial arts -- "register" their hands or any other body part as "lethal weapons" in the U.S., UKoGBaNI, Canada, or any other common law nation. However, a criminal defendant's experience in boxing, karate, or other forms of hand-to-hand combat may be relevant to determining various legal issues.

First, in the United States at least, the question of whether hands (or other body parts) of a boxer, martial artist or any other person even qualifies as a "deadly" or "lethal" weapon depends largely upon how "deadly weapon," "lethal weapon," or "deadly force" is defined (usually by statute, which is then interpreted by the courts). _See,_ _e.g.,_ Vitauts M. Gulbis, "Parts of the Human Body, Other Than Feet, as Deadly or Dangerous Weapons for Purposes of Statutes Aggravating Offenses Such as Assault and Robbery," 8 A.L.R.4th 1268 (1981 and supplements); Christpher Vaeth, "Kicking as Aggravated Assault, or Assault With Dangerous or Deadly Weapon," 19 A.L.R.5th 823 (1995 and supplements). Most statutes have been interpreted to require an object external to the human body before a "deadly weapon" element can be met. For example, in _Minnesota v. Bastin_, 572 N.W.2d 281 (Minn. 1997), the Minnesota Supreme Court overruled the trial court's conclusion that the left fist of the defendant, a former licensed professional prize fighter, was a "deadly weapon."

Some courts in the United States have concluded, however, that a criminal defendant's experience in boxing or martial arts should be considered when deciding whether s/he possessed a required intent to cause harm. For instance, in _Trujillo v. State_, 750 P.2d 1334 (Wyo. 1988), the Wyoming Supreme Court found that there was sufficient evidence to support the defendant's conviction for aggravated assault after he punched someone in the head. His history as a trained boxer was one bit of evidence supporting the jury's findings on his mental state. Likewise, in _In the Matter of the Welfare of D.S.F._, 416 N.W.2d 772 (Minn. App. 1988), the Minnesota Court of Appeals held that there was sufficient evidence to conclude that the actions of the defendant, who had "substantial experience in karate," were sufficient to demonstrate his knowledge that he was hitting the victim with sufficient force to break the victim's jaw.

Similarly, a criminal defendant's boxing or martial arts experience may be relevant to determining the validity of a self-defense claim. For instance, in _Idaho v. Babbit_, 120 Idaho 337, 815 P.2d 1077 (Idaho App. 1991), the defendant shot the victim and claimed self-defense. The trial court admitted evidence regarding the defendant's past training and experience as a boxer, concluding that it was relevant to a determination of whether the defendant truly believed it was necessary to shoot the victim in order to protect himself and others. The Idaho Court of Appeals affirmed.

Documented: A criminal defendant's experience in boxing or the martial arts may be relevant to deciding whether the elements of a criminal offense have been proven.

[AllEyesOpen]

It is still going alright, and I am trying not to derail it. We will see how it goes.

I used to be real good at avoiding traps but lately I have been much more involved in that junk. It will eventually lead me to taking a break from the forum again but I am here for right now.

I do the same, a break from time to time is a good thing.

[PACnPBFsuck]

I'll support the boxer only if he punches the woman with an open fist.

[americanbot]

beating a woman in more traditional countries is considered not so big of a deal....

its mostly in america where fighters will be called out.

i believe that guys like duran, mayorga, & chavez sr have smacked a woman here or another. but no one cares in their countries......its not so big of a deal. hell i believe mayorga smacks his wife today....

not saying that beating women is right but when we're looking at boxers (men who are already disturbed in some form or another) its gonna be a lot of that going around. this is not a power puff ice cream party. its a killing sport.....

[dj Ramos]

Gatti and Valero...in other words, yes.

[Thread Stealer]

It doesn't make me like them personally.

But I watch boxing for entertainment anyway, not because I like (or even know) the boxers as people. A lot of my favorite boxers to watch were women-beaters, or worse.

[GrandpaBernard]

You might as well as not even watch the ****ing sport if your morals don't allow you to support wifebeating boxers. Some of the greatest of all time were wifebeaters.

Joe Louis
Sugar Ray Robinson
Jake LaMotta
Joe Frazier
Muhammad Ali
Carlos Monzon
Marvin Hagler
Sugar Ray Leonard
Evander Holyfield
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pernell WHitaker
Mike Tyson
Floyd Mayweather