Prime Prince Naseem would of Put Donaire in a comma....

[AFighter4U]

Yeah it usually helps you in terms of technique which means if Donaire had of been KTFO then maybe it would of been understanding since he was used to head gear in the amateurs.
Again not meaningless, he has a loss on his record, not meaningless.

When I say he gets nothing from me, it means in comparison to Pacquiao, because it is the first thing people are doing right now. As soon as I logged on here I seen a thread entitled "Donaire>Pacquiao," thats BS isn't even worth thinking about so in that case,
Yes he gets nothing from me.

I understand your annoyance over some folks who rate donaire higher than Pac, considering donaire still has a ways to go to reach Pac's level.

But you also have to give credit where its due and this fight was a very good one with two game fighters going at it. Montiel is in no way a pushover.

Donaire is P4P top ten and he has proven it in this fight, with the way he ended it serving as the exclamation point. However, if you still don't find donaire impressive, then its your call.

[prinzemanspopa]

So, take your condescending post and shove it up your ass, along with Hamed's lackluster resume.

You truly are a worthless,dopey ****.You've just spent a great majority of your post comparing Hamed's resume to Donaire - something I intentionally never set out to do.


My response to you was based on you questioning Hamed's resume,even going as far as claiming that he never beat any "true world champions.The fact that you've just acknowledged atleast three opponents on Hamed's resume - after initially dismissing them all - proves just how insecure in your own argument that you actually are.Do not confuse your own ******ity and ignorance of this sport with these men not having done "anything truly of note".


Tom Johnson was universally regarded as the very best featherweight on the planet at the time Hamed beat him.That's not just me saying it,that's an absolute fact.



Kevin Kelley,a man who was on a streak that included two of the very best wins of his career over top rated featherweights in Louie Espinoza and Derrick Gainer.The same Kevin Kelley that was still beating young contenders like Humberto Soto some five years after getting knocked out while at the top of his game against Hamed.





And before ever claiming to "own" someone,make sure you've actually done so.The only thing we have established in this thread is how little knowledge of the featherweight division and boxing past the last decade you actually have.

[breezy53]

I co-sign ts. Hamed would ko him

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He gets nothing from me.

Read his lips:

[THe TRiNiTY]

You truly are a worthless,dopey ****.You've just spent a great majority of your post comparing Hamed's resume to Donaire - something I intentionally never set out to do.

I did this to ensure that my posts were restated for the entire thread. Had very little to do with you, truthfully.

My response to you was based on you questioning Hamed's resume,even going as far as claiming that he never beat any "true world champions.The fact that you've just acknowledged atleast three opponents on Hamed's resume - after initially dismissing them all - proves just how insecure in your own argument that you actually are.Do not confuse your own ******ity and ignorance of this sport with these men not having done "anything truly of note".

It's not insecurity. Foolish, foolish man. I did it for arguments sake. I was giving you those three opponents to prove that even WITH those fighters, his resume is lackluster. I dismissed them because I'm of the opinion that these fighters meant nothing in the long run for his legacy and it's not just me, it's a big portion of fight fans that agree with this.

I'm actually not someone who hates Naseem Hamed, truly. But I don't give fighters credit they don't deserve. He DID unify the titles in his division and I gave him credit for that when I realized my error. I make no excuses for that oversight, which is what it was.

He also had an impressive streak of wins and was very heavy-handed. He was unorthodox. He was sensational at selling a fight. I will give him credit for all of that. He beat some decent opponents.

HOWEVER, he beat virtually no hall of famers. He beat no one that was ranked pound for pound at the time that he fought them. I won't say that he wasn't the true world champion at Featherweight. That's unimportant. Carlos Baldomir was the true Welterweight champion. Miguel Cotto never has been. Who has the better resume?

Sometimes, it's not about JUST championships. So, if you take my oversight out of the argument, you're left with my opinion, that is based on his opponents.

Tom Johnson was universally regarded as the very best featherweight on the planet at the time Hamed beat him.That's not just me saying it,that's an absolute fact.

Wonderful. Tom Johnson beat no one of note and Manuel Medina beat him far before Hamed did. He was and is nothing special. End of story. Get over your fixation of Tom Johnson.

Kevin Kelley,a man who was on a streak that included two of the very best wins of his career over top rated featherweights in Louie Espinoza and Derrick Gainer.The same Kevin Kelley that was still beating young contenders like Humberto Soto some five years after getting knocked out while at the top of his game against Hamed.

Kevin Kelley was a 30-year-old Featherweight by the time Hamed reached him. Still a decent fighter, which I NEVER denied, he wasn't in his prime. Still good. Still a worthy opponent. Once again, for the sake of argument, I gave you Kevin Kelley. And... Once again.. I never denied that either Hamed or Kelley had skills.

I also gave you Manuel Medina, another decent fighter. The point of this thread was a comparison of Donaire and Hamed, was it not? The TS was making a claim about Donaire not having a chance against Naseem. I was making the point that he would. Especially when looking at resumes.

If you look at Hamed's resume as it is, it's fine. Nothing wrong with it. Some historical aspects to it stand up well. Especially the unification, which I once again stress, I overlooked. No excuses.

However, if stacked against Donaire, I feel it doesn't hold much weight. Therefore, I brush aside opponents like Kelley and Medina and the epic Tom Johnson because I don't see them comparing to Montiel and Darchinyan. His fighters were both pound for pound at the time of Donaire's fights with them. Both were also highly-ranked in the division. Both were also on great streaks and both were handled with little-to-no problem. That's simply better to me.

If you ask me about Hamed without comparing him to someone that betters him in the resume department, I'll be fine with mentioning him in decent light. This, however, was a comparison of sorts. He doesn't fare well in my mind. End of story.

And before ever claiming to "own" someone,make sure you've actually done so.The only thing we have established in this thread is how little knowledge of the featherweight division and boxing past the last decade you actually have.

Brilliant. We've both stated our points. Let's end it. Good day.