JMM dont deserve to fight Pac now. He has done nothing since moving up from 130

[mikemurni]

Alright dude,I'm done,Marquez beat shot tomatoe-cans while Pacman bombed on monsters.

OK, I am glad that you agreed...

[gauze]

JMM is shot so why can't he fight other shot fighters that were indeed ranked #1 and get credit for it? at least he had the balls to get in the ring with mayweather. pacquiao is just afraid of losing to a shot JMM and so are you.

[mikemurni]

JMM is shot so why can't he fight other shot fighters that were indeed ranked #1 and get credit for it? at least he had the balls to get in the ring with mayweather. pacquiao is just afraid of losing to a shot JMM and so are you.

If Pac cannot get credit from you guys for fighting the top WW fighters like Clottey, Marg, Mosley and Cotto, what more for fighting JMM at WW at that..

Like I said, JMM should fight a legitimate WW before goin' against Pac to raise his profile.. Something that he lost since moving up to LW.

[gauze]

If Pac cannot get credit from you guys for fighting the top WW fighters like Clottey, Marg, Mosley and Cotto, how would he get credit for fighting JMM at WW at that..Like I said, JMM should fight a legitimate WW to fight Pac to raise his profile.. Something that he lost since moving up to LW.

he wouldnt because JMM is shot. i dont even like seeing pacquiao fight. same thing everytime. move in, combo, move out, repeat. i think the only mega fights should be between shot fighters to make them more competitive and interesting. when pacquiao is shot and fights mosley again i'll give him credit then

[mikemurni]

he wouldnt because JMM is shot. i dont even like seeing pacquiao fight. same thing everytime. move in, combo, move out, repeat. i think the only mega fights should be between shot fighters to make them more competitive and interesting. when pacquiao is shot and fights mosley again i'll give him credit then

No you are not goin to give him credit against anyone since you said it yourself you dont like Pac..Plus no one is really forcing you to like his style so why do you even find a need to even post something like that. You dont like him then good for you.. I guess

[AllEyesOpen]

If Pac cannot get credit from you guys for fighting the top WW fighters like Clottey, Marg, Mosley and Cotto, how would he get credit for fighting JMM at WW at that..Like I said, JMM should fight a legitimate WW to fight Pac to raise his profile.. Something that he lost since moving up to LW.

Sadly, what you refuse to accept is that Cotto & Marg were no longer top ww when he fought them, and Mosley is coming off a lose to Mayweather & a draw in a fight he should won easy with 1 hand tied behind his back. That you even mention Clottey as a top ww is laughable, after his pathetic performance against Pac he faded into insignificance.

See it's easy to have tunnel vision and only give credit whereever you feel like it, but fact is Marquez has gone toe to toe with Pac and given him the toughest 2 fights of career, and based on that alone he deserves another shot at him, & Pacquiao should be looking to end all question about who won those 2 fights by taking the 3rd.

[gauze]

No you are not goin to give him credit against anyone since you said it yourself you dont like Pac..Plus no one is really forcing you to like his style so why do you even find a need to even post something like that. You dont like him then good for you.. I guess

i would give him credit against terrance cauthen

[MXboxingfan]

JMM has not done anything since he moved up from 130. His credentials above 130 are filled with fighters who are way past their primes, bums, shot, or at most fringe contenders that are probably between the level of mediocre to good fighters.

The only fighter that didnt fit that description was Floyd. But c'mon that was a money fight so a guy in JMM's position had to take it. Too bad he was sVckered by his own promoter when Floyd snookered him to accepting his term before the weigh-in..

Here are JMM's fights since moving up in weight from 130..

Casamayor - was inactive for a year and was the benificiary of a robbery in his comeback fight against Sta. Cruz ( he should have lost that fight).. He looked awful against Katsidis, who was suppose to be an easy opponent since he basically had the advantage in terms of style. He was really shot by the time JMM fought him...

Juan Diaz - He ruled the LW division before all the top guys from SFW moved
up to LW.. And it was also the time when all top players like Corrales, Castillo moved up to 140, or guys like Casamayor, and Freitas were on their way out.. Plus by the time JMM fought him, he already lost to Campbell..

Mayweather - no argument there. It took balls from JMM to accept that fight. But on the other hand, it was a money fight with HBO/Golden Boy providing full promotion behind it.. So he would be an idiot if he would not accept such fight even though we all knew he was cherrypicked by Floyd. Too bad his own promoter didnt have his back on any aspect of the negotiations including after the contracts were signed. Eventually he lost that fight. So you cant give him credit for a fight that he didn't win even if the odds were against him..

Juan Diaz II - I dont understand why JMM agreed to a rematch.. JMM already knocked him out, plus Diaz was clearly already starting to get exposed as nothing more than a fringe contender especially after fighting Malignaggi. There was really no merit for Marquez to fight him again.

Katsidis - Nothing more than a tune-up. He got big heart, but his skills is really sub par. The fact that a shot Casamayor knocked him out already gave you an indication on the level of fighter he really is...

So there you go.. five fights since moving up to LW and WW.. Four of them in LW against fighters that didnt deserve to share in the same ring as JMM. The one fight that would have given him loads of credit, he lost..

Each of the fighters Juan Manuel Marquez fought after 130 are at least 6 billion times better than David Diaz. David Diaz was a journeyman who happen to be a paper champion.

What earns you a fight against Pacquiao anyways?

Do you have to get knockout by Israel Vazquez and then move up 2 divisions like Oscar Larios did?

Or do you have to lose a lopsided loss to Zahir Raheem like Erik Morales.

Or do you have to lose for the very first time in your career like Ricky Hatton?

[mikemurni]

Sadly, what you refuse to accept is that Cotto & Marg were no longer top ww when he fought them, and Mosley is coming off a lose to Mayweather & a draw in a fight he should won easy with 1 hand tied behind his back. That you even mention Clottey as a top ww is laughable, after his pathetic performance against Pac he faded into insignificance.

See it's easy to have tunnel vision and only give credit whereever you feel like it, but fact is Marquez has gone toe to toe with Pac and given him the toughest 2 fights of career, and based on that alone he deserves another shot at him, & Pacquiao should be looking to end all question about who won those 2 fights by taking the 3rd.

How can you say that Marg, Cotto, and Mosley were not the top WW's when their lose came against each other. Their not exactly losing against bum opponents.. Clottey was a good fight as a replacement for the Floyd fight..Other than Williams, he was the best option.. A lot can be said after the fight but that's because he was fighting Pac, but Clottey is one of the top WW's..

The 2 fights that you are referring to took place in 2008 at SFW.. Pac has done way more at the higher weights than JMM...And I said way, way more.. Because JMM has really done nothing significant at all (other than the Floyd fight) since moving up to LW...

[MXboxingfan]

How can you say that Marg, Cotto, and Mosley were not the top WW's when their lose came against each other. Their not exactly losing against bum opponents.. Clottey was a good fight as a replacement for the Floyd fight..Other than Williams, he was the best option.. A lot can be said after the fight but that's because he was fighting Pac, but Clottey is one of the top WW's..

The 2 fights that you are referring to took place in 2008 at SFW.. Pac has done way more at the higher weights than JMM...And I said way, way more.. Because JMM has really done nothing significant at all (other than the Floyd fight) since moving up to LW...

Margarito was already brutalized before already being revealed to be a fraud. So he was not an elite fighter.