how the hell did anyone have marquez winning the first fight?

[Sweet Jesus]

lol.. how long have you been watching boxing

if a guy gets knocked down 5 times, you have to score it 10-4.

No, you don't.

[Biolink]

I remember hearing in that fight that judges typically don't score the round past a certain amount. I'll have to pull it up whenever I get the chance.

[RIZO24]

A draw was fair!!! I think other than the knock downs JMM out boxed PAcquiao!!

[miron_lang]

JMM Won more rounds.

PAC should have won if Clements scored the 1st round correctly.

PAC showed a Devastating assault JMM showed incredible resilience.

Draw was fair IMO

[AIR_KENG]

I saw Marquez winning most of the fight, basing myself on points he should have lost but the draw was no gift either. His performance after a broken nose and 3 knock downs was very well respected.

nobody is taking away the respect that he deserves because he put one helluva fight... but the judge was a dumbass, you give points where credit is due. One KD equals one less point for Marquez.

[loomis]

if you had marquez winning this fight, you are a damn ******
absolute dipsht of the highest order

@check the punch stats. marquez outlanded pac in both fights, so in all it was pac that got the gift in both fights. many people think pac should have 5 loses.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Judging ANYTHING is objective. It's pretty easy to see that both men had their moments. However, Marquez' moments stretched over a longer period of time. Therefore, quite a few people are going to side with him.

I think he won the second fight and a draw in the first fight seems fair. Regardless, Pacquiao has the win and Marquez has the rounds. Moving right along...

[cixthree]

if you had marquez winning this fight, you are a damn ******
absolute dipsht of the highest order

Watch the fight with the sound off, look at the mistakes Manny made rather than looking at him as a fan boy.

Not calling you a fan boy, but thats a where most people go wrong.

[tibbar]

i dont know whats the fuzz about the past fights of manny and jmm all about up to this time. everyone seems to have his own opinion on what supposed to be the scores on those fights and obviously always between fans of manny and fans of jmm/haters of manny. but the glaring truth of this never ending exchanges is the truth that these opinions are based only on watching the "video", which usually used to argue against that of the judges who are ringside. watching video and actually being there during those fights are a lot different. there are factors to consider why judges scored how theyd scored. videos are deceiving, there are angles that video doesnt capture, the mood the feelings the sound when punches landed,the grimace on the faces of the fighters those that shows how a punch can be considered as the "more telling blows" (is that a factor or not? tell me) so many nuances that only being at ringside at that time can only be noticed that any video cant. these differences can best work if the fight is that close, which in the case of jmm/pac it is. lay this issue to rest dammit, its so close anyone can win, its fortunate/unfortunate that pacman won. opinions doesnt count anymore you can argue for a hundred years no one will be declared winner. its just a waste of time.
so next time you watch any fight video just enjoy the fight stop playing like forensic investigator or something because whatever you come up with youll not going to be paid for it.

[piojo del norte]

Pacman hit Marquez after he was on the canvas, Cortez should have desqualified him, but we know Cortez has a bias towards certain fighters so he didn't.

Humberto Soto was disqualified by Cortez for something much less than what pacquiao hit Marquez.


Going back to the fight, Juan pulled it off at the end even the comentators realize he was winning the fight.