LOL, Kevin Iole FLIP-FLOPS, new article compares Pacquiao to Muhammad Ali

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  • ThePrince
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    #11
    Originally posted by The Gambler1981
    No it isn't, Pacquaio became a politician to benefit his own ambitions he has said he wanted that for a while.

    Big difference between that and what Ali did. It is the difference between being selfish (I can help the people with my success) or selfless (I will do what I think is right at my own expense)

    Micheal Jordan could win a political seat it doesn't make him Ali.
    Ambition or not, the guy has been able to build the first hospital in his district's history along with attaining 7 ambulances, he's building a school, fighting human trafficking, and championing a bill that will pump $3 billion and 600K jobs into his country. How is that 'selfish' exactly? If anything, that has much more impact than simply draft-dodging, no matter what the principles that were involved. I could make the case that Ali's act was more about self-preservation (ie, a selfish act) than anything else. Not saying I would, but just goes to show what a nice pair of hater shades can do to a picture.

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    • The Gambler1981
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      #12
      Lots of people do a lot of good if they are fortunate enough to reach that level


      Not a lot of people are willing to sacrifice everything for which they believe to be right.

      That is why you can't compare them and why Ali became such a large voice in his generation.

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        #13
        Originally posted by The Gambler1981
        If was any other fighter other than Ali I would be fine but Ali is in a league of his own in that regard.

        I have yet to see Manny take a controversial stance that he truly believes in and be the one of the main figures in that political discussion.

        You can't be compared to Ali if you want everyone to like you like you are Micheal Jordan (IMO)
        damn, calm down. you're taking the comparison way farther than iole intended.

        all iole wanted to say was that pac has gained international fame same as ali.

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          #14
          Originally posted by The Gambler1981
          Lots of people do a lot of good if they are fortunate enough to reach that level


          Not a lot of people are willing to sacrifice everything for which they believe to be right.

          That is why you can't compare them and why Ali became such a large voice in his generation.
          Right, but like Iole and I are saying... no one is comparing the specific circumstances, just the impact. Ali was outspoken about social/political issues and was a professional martyr for a time. Pac is within the political system trying to improve the lives of his people. Different circumstances, the times make the man- no one is saying Pacquiao is making the same decisions, sacrifices, etc. The author is just saying that their impact goes beyond Boxing, that's it.

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            #15
            Originally posted by SuckaPunch
            Remember, Kevin Iole who said he will BOYCOTT Pacquiao-Mosley, look now at his new article entitled:



            Like Ali, Pacquiao’s greatness transcends boxing
            Kevin Iole
            By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports 2 hours, 33 minutes ago

            Fifty years after Muhammad Ali's rise to greatness, the story is unfolding again with a new central figure.


            Here are some excerpts:
            my guess why iole is kissing azz now is cause his bosses are getting on his case for getting on the bad side of boxing's biggest superstar. maybe iole is trying to mend fences and get his media pass to pac/mosley events back.

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              #16
              expect to see some more positive or non-negative views of this fight from other writers.

              this cbs/showtime thing is big.

              writers might not like the mosley fight (neither did i really) but they see this fight as boxing's chance to step toward being mainstream again.

              that's something writers and fight fans want.

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                #17
                Originally posted by ThePrince
                Right, but like Iole and I are saying... no one is comparing the specific circumstances, just the impact. Ali was outspoken about social/political issues and was a professional martyr for a time. Pac is within the political system trying to improve the lives of his people. Different circumstances, the times make the man- no one is saying Pacquiao is making the same decisions, sacrifices, etc. The author is just saying that their impact goes beyond Boxing, that's it.
                And I am telling you that ain't the same thing.

                I said in my first post, if it was any other superstar fighter in history Manny can get compared to just fine. Ali is just entirely different not just for boxing but all of sport because I can't think of a single athlete exactly like him.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Pullcounter
                  damn, calm down. you're taking the comparison way farther than iole intended.

                  all iole wanted to say was that pac has gained international fame same as ali.
                  I would say on a comparison basis Ali was more known in his era than Manny is in this era because of what he did.

                  Manny is known for fighting~


                  It is not even close to the same which is why it isn't a good comparison.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
                    expect to see some more positive or non-negative views of this fight from other writers.

                    this cbs/showtime thing is big.

                    writers might not like the mosley fight (neither did i really) but they see this fight as boxing's chance to step toward being mainstream again.

                    that's something writers and fight fans want.
                    Boxing writers always change their views to suit the audience, which is why I find their words not very meaningful.

                    I don't think you will hear to much negative anymore (at least from the more mainstream sources) about the fight since being negative changes nothing.

                    There will be some journalist's that take the negative route though since there is a market for that also.

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                    • Pullcounter
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by The Gambler1981
                      I would say on a comparison basis Ali was more known in his era than Manny is in this era because of what he did.

                      Manny is known for fighting~


                      It is not even close to the same which is why it isn't a good comparison.
                      like I said, calm down. iole isn't trying to compare who is more famous ali or pac. all iole is trying to say is that both ali and pac are international superstars. that's it....

                      dial down the outrage a little bit...

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