Would Jack Dempsey beat Wladimir Klitschko?

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

yes but most great athletes of the past would get engulfed by the sheer size, physicality, speed, & athleticism of today's athletes.

Take bill russell, 11 time nba champion, yet the guy was 6'8 250 lbs, or babe ruth's fat ass......

just across the board, all sports.

if anybody is overrated its always the really old athletes of yesteryear & if anybody is grossly underrated, its today's/modern era athletes.

True indeed, but there is a toughness that was appearant back then that is very hard to find nowadays. That toughness sould also factor in when debating these type of matches. IMHO.

[Bastian Loc]

Corrie Sanders might've been a crafty counterpuncher in most of his fights, but against Wlad he was there to pressure him and make him uncomfortable. I think people are selling Dempsey way short here.

[Bastian Loc]

True indeed, but there is a toughness that was appearant back then that is very hard to find nowadays. That toughness sould also factor in when debating these type of matches. IMHO.

Its a huge factor imo.

[mushahadeen]

Any C+ fighter from any other era would easily KO the Klitchko's within 6 rounds. They are the worst HW champions of any era-- and no amount of steroids can help that.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

True indeed, but there is a toughness that was appearant back then that is very hard to find nowadays. That toughness sould also factor in when debating these type of matches. IMHO.

Its a huge factor imo.

yes but we are talking about the cream of the crop here. Not the majority. I dont think great athletes of our time lack toughness.

You dont think evander holyfield has toughness? micheal jordan? kobe? joe montana? tiger woods winning majors on one knee?

In order to be great in any era, you need some toughness. elite fighters of any era are all tough. Including our athletes toughness.

What separates our time's athletes is what i mentioned earlier.

[BrooklynBomber]

Corrie Sanders might've been a crafty counterpuncher in most of his fights, but against Wlad he was there to pressure him and make him uncomfortable. I think people are selling Dempsey way short here.

Watch the first round, Wlad was beating Sanders behind the jab, up until he missed with the right and did not cut off the distance. Then he hurt Wlad with big lefts and it was all over. But he did not attack Wlad at first, he was really looking for Wlad to make a mistake.

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

Its a huge factor imo.

Oh I agree 100% Jacky bruh. I mean what fighter in this era would chew brine and rub it on their skin to toughin it up against cuts nowadays?

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

yes but we are talking about the cream of the crop here. Not the majority. I dont think great athletes of our time lack toughness.

You dont think evander holyfield has toughness? micheal jordan? kobe? joe montana? tiger woods winning majors on one knee?

In order to be great in any era, you need some toughness. elite fighters of any era are all tough. Including our athletes toughness.

What separates our time's athletes is what i mentioned earlier.

Oh I do think there are a select few who have true grit, dont get me wrong my man. But the animalistic toughness is lacking in the athletes of today, due to medicine and technology being waaaaaaay more advanced then back then. IMHO.

[Steak]

yes but most great athletes of the past would get engulfed by the sheer size, physicality, speed, & athleticism of today's athletes.

Take bill russell, 11 time nba champion, yet the guy was 6'8 250 lbs, or babe ruth's fat ass......

just across the board, all sports.

if anybody is overrated its always the really old athletes of yesteryear & if anybody is grossly underrated, its today's/modern era athletes.

Boxing is not decided by who is the more athletic. You take the most athletic guy in the world and he would be destroyed in boxing. There are countless champions in boxing that have been out of shape and unathletic...Nicolino Locche comes to mind.

besides, a fat former middleweight was a top 3 fighter at one point at HW only a few years ago.


small and unathletic? yea, HW James Toney fits that bill. didnt stop him from being a top fighter in the division.


old time fighters CAN be overrated by some. but sometimes photos of them dont do justice to how athletic they were in the first place. bad quality can be very misleading. heres an example:

they dont appear very athletic, do they? but when you watch it in HD...


you can see their muslce definition much more clearly, and they look in very good shape now, dont they?

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Boxing is not decided by who is the more athletic. You take the most athletic guy in the world and he would be destroyed in boxing. There are countless champions in boxing that have been out of shape and unathletic...Nicolino Locche comes to mind.

besides, a fat former middleweight was a top 3 fighter at one point at HW only a few years ago.


small and unathletic? yea, HW James Toney fits that bill. didnt stop him from being a top fighter in the division.


old time fighters CAN be overrated by some. but sometimes photos of them dont do justice to how athletic they were in the first place. bad quality can be very misleading. heres an example:

they dont appear very athletic, do they? but when you watch it in HD...


you can see their muslce definition much more clearly, and they look in very good shape now, dont they?

nicolino locche is not unathletic. the guy's reflexes is sublime & that takes fast twitch muscle fibers which require athleticism.