Points on why Manny NEVER has plans to fight Floyd let alone anyone on a win streak.

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Was really funny is that on one end you have Roach saying that he has a hard time making Manny even take vitamins because Manny finds it unnatural. Yet Ariza says Manny doesn't know what his taking and takes it willingly. Then Manny says I dont like taking blood out of him because its unnatural yet tattoos are very natural. Having a foreign substance like ink into your body is really natural and religious people see their body as a temple and its considered a sin to mark it up like he does with tats. What hypocrisy.

True story.

Taking blood out of your body is "un-natural". Putting un-known ****tails in your body is natural only in Wapakland.

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TS do you honestly believe floyd will fight pac???

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TS do you honestly believe floyd will fight pac???

HELL YES.

They are ALL guilty of promoting this fight to the hilt. And I do believe when Manny runs out of "opponents" and HAS to fight Floyd. Floyd will DROP the random OST request or at least offer a cutoff date they both agree to.

Why? Floyd LOVES money.

If Manny HAS to submit to full random OST and there's a chance he could test positive. That would put a HUGE dent in money for all involved in that fight. And I really don't believe Floyd would ruin that chance on the gamble that Manny regarding his actions COULD test positive and the whole megafight implodes. I believe the random OST is part mind games by Floyd but also there's enough su****ion out there regarding Manny's actions to believe he is most definately using something.

Floyd let's Manny off the hook regarding his request. And the ODD's of Floyd fighting Manny who could possibly be on PED's thought NOT having to take stricter testing would go through the roof.

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Yet "superstitious" Manny fights in a blood sport and loses more during a fight and can go out after an perform a concert and doesn't feel "weakened"?

Why do you have to be superstitious about a "victory" concert? You compare the stamina needed to sing against the stamina to fight the Manny fight? Can't we stick to boxing concerns anymore? Geez.

Manny's gotten booted from HBO. And soon to be the states and will have to do the smoke and mirrors act overseas after the older man Mosely fight flops. Vegas just like Cowboy's stadium after the Cheato, and Clottey farces are growing tired of the Flop Stank act. The only way Manny fights there again is if he's facing Mayweather or the Bobfather leans on them. The act is growing stale.

Manny booted from HBO! 'Nuff said.

Manny AND Floyd use each other for promotion. Yet Manny "calls out" Floyd when Manny's already signed to another fight using Mayweather's name for promotion. You haven't seen the NUMEROUS articles of Team Pac mentioning Mayweather EVEN when they KNOW he's on vacation and has legal issues?

Manny called out Floyd af"ter si"gnin"g for anot"her f"ight"? "" W"hen"? Who" i"s yo"ur s"ou"rce t"hat Ma"yweath"er i"s on "vac"ation? Zab Jud"ah of Team Mayweather? Oh, I almost forgot Zab is NOT A PART OF THAT TEAM! (Sorry I dropped the quotation marks at the latter part, I don't have your patience and typing skills ) Zab was trying to hype his fight, see how he answered his interview questions when the interviewer asked more about what he has to say about Mayweather than his own fight.

Floyd's already gotten in Pac's mind. Manny is more afraid to submit to full random OST than fight Floyd. Manny loses to Floyd it's to be expected. Manny loses to OST and it's a WRAP in regards ANY negotiation leverage with Floyd, career, legacy, endorsements, congressman status, fans, Top Rank, everything is done. Like it or not.

wait, one of you floyd fans (a.k.a littlemac) said Pac already accepted the OST? Why is he still afraid to submit if he agreed to it? Doesn't make sense. If Manny losing to Floyd is to be expected, why can't he compromise? Is that what you call confidence now? Sentence in bold did not make sense. Re-phrase.

So that means there's PROOF there are no substances NOT on the current comissions list or CAN'T be detected by regular testing? IF everything is tested for currently under standard commission testing then why would Floyd ask for random OST in the first place? Floyd would take the same random OST that Manny would and since they've both PASSED previous comission testing they're BOTH at the starting point. EVEN.

Commission has the same list of prohibited drugs as the USADA. Which means regardless of which test is going to be used, if the substance is undetectable, it is undetectable. Case in point, changing the current system is pointless.

Manny wants his name cleared. Manny's passed previous commission testing. So has Floyd. Floyd asked for more stricter testing they both will take. Manny ran from it. Even a five year old would find that suspect.

I answered that on a previous post. Back read please

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Read my previous posts. Or if you are lazy to do so, here it is again: Mosley admitted to using it after newer tests (during that time) proved that what he was using was illegal. Again, it was technology catching up to reveal the illegal drug that was previously undetectable. If we are going to use the Mosley experience as the standard, then you or the so-called experts of drug-testing should pinpoint a specific drug that you can use against Manny. Otherwise, Shane is not a good comparison.

So why would Roach insist on special drug testing for Shane at first if current testing systems are fine only tell Manny had to go through the same it wasn't good lol........


I said he did not want it at the onset, not "it's not onset". I might have confused you on that part. So let me make it clear, he did not want it the minute they mentioned it (onset is here, not when initial negotiations began), and I disagree when you say he knows about the terms because it came as a surprise. As for the cut-off, can you honestly tell me you were not expecting some power-struggle between two very proud fighters? He felt disrespected because he was the recognized p4p king, was more active than mayweather and yet mayweather was trying to bully him into something that is derogatory to his image without solid basis. And as much as I want to believe that Manny has accepted the terms of no cut-off, I haven't heard anything official and I believe even you can't prove that he did. But the thing is, if he DID say it, how come Floyd is still b*tching about Manny not wanting the fight? See now, it is a double edged sword that is hurting Floyd.

So can you then explain what Roach meant by him saying they had agreed to Floyds testing with his(Roach) famous statement"Anytime,Anywhere". You really think Manny went into negotiations not knowing anything about Floyds testing terms lol..........Am going to take Roach's word over yours. I consider Roach a more credible and closer person to Pac then you when Roach said they had agreed to OST, no disrespect to you . Its your word againts Roach in Pac knowing about testing terms. Am going with Roach this time lol.......



I'd be honest, I was frustrated at first that Pac did not agree to the test because I wanted them to fight badly. But looking at the big picture, why has Mayweather only required such testing on Pac? Based on what? It is because Mayweather also felt that the drawing of blood was a big issue with Pac before in his last loss to Morales and he wanted to take advantage.

Last time I checked Manny said it was the Gloves that he lost to Morales at the post fight interview. They even asked him if he felt Morales was strong and Pac said no that if he would had his rayes that he would had knocked Morales out lol......He never mentioned anything about feeling weak. Manny said it much later on that it was the blood test lol.......

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Manny is religious and superstitious, just not when his cheating on his wife and family. Am not saying Manny is a bad guy or am judging him. All am saying is that his religious and superstitious claims don't add up.

Religious and superstitious are two different things. I hope I get to argue with someone here that does not do personal attacks on fighters and concentrate on the issue on hand.

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Religious and superstitious are two different things. I hope I get to argue with someone here that does not do personal attacks on fighters and concentrate on the issue on hand.

No **** why you think I mentioned both lol............

BTW you still going with Manny didn't know about FLoyd's testing terms going into negotiations lol.............

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So why would Roach insist on special drug testing for Shane at first if current testing systems are fine only tell Manny had to go through the same it wasn't good lol........

Again, proven PED user.

So can you then explain what Roach meant by him saying they had agreed to Floyds testing with his(Roach) famous statement"Anytime,Anywhere". You really think Manny went into negotiations not knowing anything about Floyds testing terms lol..........Am going to take Roach's word over yours. I consider Roach a more credible and closer person to Pac then you when Roach said they had agreed to OST, no disrespect to you . Its your word againts Roach in Pac knowing about testing terms. Am going with Roach this time lol.......

wait, you are seriously saying that "anytime, anywhere" is your basis that they agreed to the test? LOL! Dude, I did not say he didn't know the terms. Operative phrase is "onset". Of course they knew about the terms, how can they reject it if they didn't know? What I am trying to say is it was rejected when it was proposed. Roach and I are actually on the same page, you just have to understand what I am saying. No offense to you too. :P

Last time I checked Manny said it was the Gloves that he lost to Morales at the post fight interview. They even asked him if he felt Morales was strong and Pac said no that if he would had his rayes that he would had knocked Morales out lol......He never mentioned anything about feeling weak. Manny said it much later on that it was the blood test lol.......

He did mention about feeling weak, go to one day before the fight and look it up. He didn't like it at all. Gloves was the biggest issue I guess, but I'm surprised you don't know all the issues about that loss. It makes future arguments more solid.

Get you facts straight. Back read and see that my first reply to this thread was for LMFAO. You quoted my reply so I replied back. You challenged my original arguments, I answered them all and you give me "come in with different angles"? You can do better than that homie.

Nothing to say about this one? hehe...

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[QUOTE=AIR_KENG;10101797]Why do you have to be superstitious about a "victory" concert? You compare the stamina needed to sing against the stamina to fight the Manny fight? Can't we stick to boxing concerns anymore? Geez.

Manny loses more blood in a fight. Manny can then go out right after the fight and perform a concert and not feel "weakend" by his blood loss from the fight. Manny is full of it.


Manny booted from HBO! 'Nuff said.

Booted. Tired of the act. NO-sley to even older Mosely.


Manny called out Floyd af"ter si"gnin"g for anot"her f"ight"? "" W"hen"? Who" i"s yo"ur s"ou"rce t"hat Ma"yweath"er i"s on "vac"ation? Zab Jud"ah of Team Mayweather? Oh, I almost forgot Zab is NOT A PART OF THAT TEAM! (Sorry I dropped the quotation marks at the latter part, I don't have your patience and typing skills ) Zab was trying to hype his fight, see how he answered his interview questions when the interviewer asked more about what he has to say about Mayweather than his own fight.


wait, one of you floyd fans (a.k.a littlemac) said Pac already accepted the OST? Why is he still afraid to submit if he agreed to it? Doesn't make sense. If Manny losing to Floyd is to be expected, why can't he compromise? Is that what you call confidence now? Sentence in bold did not make sense. Re-phrase.

why has it taken Manny over a year to submit to random OST when he could do it on his own and prove to everyone he's "clean" and have all the time in the world to recover? Oh that's right. Manny knows he'll need to juice it up during "training" and that's when they'll want testing to catch him. Manny knows Mosely's cheated before why doesn't he request stricter testing for both of them? Mosely's passed the comissions testing.

Commission has the same list of prohibited drugs as the USADA. Which means regardless of which test is going to be used, if the substance is undetectable, it is undetectable. Case in point, changing the current system is pointless.

Sure it is.

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No **** why you think I mentioned both lol............

BTW you still going with Manny didn't know about FLoyd's testing terms going into negotiations lol.............

then why use superstitious when pertaining to cheating on his wife and family? wrong context. and we're talking about boxing. lol.......................