Comments Thread For: R. Mayweather: I Know Pacquiao Has Something in Him!

[LeadUppercut]

I think the point is to stop anyone from fighting on PED's. A test after the fight may show he has used PED's in the lead up to the fight, which would give him an advantage. And thats what the trouble is.

Pac KO's Floyd, but is caught after the fight. The fight was unfair.

If Pac gets tested before the fight, the fight would be fair.

I get your point, that would be kinda like closing the gate after the horse had bolted..... but isn't the main reason why blood testing is so effective attributable to the fact that the tests are random in nature?

Didn't Tygart/Conte explain that even with blood testing, the results will be clear after a 3-4 day flush? And that only the "random" aspect of the testing can ensure that any perceive "window of opportunity" is eliminated?

[LeadUppercut]

The argument about randomness rest solely on the fact that you might be tested at any time up to fight night. It does not guarantee that the testing will be fair or equal. There was one point in Floyd/Shane where Mosley was tested more than Floyd. And that may happen against Pac.

Plainly, the USADA dropped the ball by cutting off early (18 days) and there was a huge need to test up to the day of the fight considering that Shane was an admitted user. Floyd also hired the the testers raising the issue of bias. In fact there was on 24/7 an episode where Floyd took more than 1 hour to pe.e. Could it be because the testers were deferring to him, could be, he employed those testers.

But Pac has considerably shortened that cutoff to 5 days now. Assuming that what Ariza said (7 days) is the official timeline, it's still much shorter than 18, ya? And Floyd would not compromise on the cutoff, because he needs to win the pi.ss.ing contest than man up and fight.

Pac works towards making the fight and Floyd would rather have the hiway if he cannot have it his way................

The idea of randomness is that testing may happen anytime, just like the end of the world may happen anytime. When, who knows, but it may happen.

Fair point.

But this is still a silly subject.

I boxed, on-and-off, for nearly 15 years..... it never occured to me that I would be spending valuable time discussing why a top athlete had issues with random blood tests.

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Take the tests Pac, like anyone else would

[bartolomewj]

Fair point.

But this is still a silly subject.

I boxed, on-and-off, for nearly 15 years..... it never occured to me that I would be spending valuable time discussing why a top athlete had issues with random blood tests.

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Take the tests Pac, like anyone else would

Or stop asking for your own testing Floyd...........let the commish do it's job

[AeKhuban]

I think the point is to stop anyone from fighting on PED's. A test after the fight may show he has used PED's in the lead up to the fight, which would give him an advantage. And thats what the trouble is.

Pac KO's Floyd, but is caught after the fight. The fight was unfair.

If Pac gets tested before the fight, the fight would be fair.

Mosley is guilty using "clear" on his previous fight.
On your statement your assuming that there is a need for Manny to juice leading to the fight although he was never tested positive before as if juicing is the only one he had to be a boxer. Look at Vargas case. Positive of stanozol but lost by KO against ODLH

If Manny is caught after the fight. Do you think he can just go away with that?
Boxing is a professional work and you need a license. No license no box in US. Definitely it will be a catastrophe on his career if he is caught cheating

[AeKhuban]

So..... the 14-day cutoff that Pac rejected should have been no problem ?

Refer to Fighthype's interview on Mayweather.
It was Floyd who rejected Manny's 14 day cut off counter offer

Link below

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content9250.html

[AeKhuban]

I think Pac should take tests in his next fight, and see if he feels weakened. I dont think he is on PED's, but id like to see him suck it up and force himself to take random tests.

He seems to be basing his belief that testing wil weaken him on his last loss to Morales.

Its true Manny believe that base on his last lost to Morales

Floyd demand of Random blood test on Manny is all the way to the day of the fight. The previous test happened on his fight vs Mosley can't justify his demand on Manny. That test has 18 days gap prior to the fight. See the difference?

If that previous test done by USADA is with a test a day before and a day after then we could demand the same with Manny. Unfortunately it does not happen

[AeKhuban]

I get your point, that would be kinda like closing the gate after the horse had bolted..... but isn't the main reason why blood testing is so effective attributable to the fact that the tests are random in nature?

Didn't Tygart/Conte explain that even with blood testing, the results will be clear after a 3-4 day flush? And that only the "random" aspect of the testing can ensure that any perceive "window of opportunity" is eliminated?

I would love to read any article Tygart/Conte explanation about blood testing will be clear after a 3-4 day flush. Can you give that link for additional reading?
If that is true then USADA's procedure is in question. Revealed date has more than 10 days gap and doesn't reflect Tygart/Conter explanation if ever.

[AeKhuban]

Fair point.

But this is still a silly subject.

I boxed, on-and-off, for nearly 15 years..... it never occured to me that I would be spending valuable time discussing why a top athlete had issues with random blood tests.

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Take the tests Pac, like anyone else would

Because on history of boxing Random blood tests only occur when someone is surpassing Mayweather achievement.

[The Noose]

Mosley is guilty using "clear" on his previous fight.
On your statement your assuming that there is a need for Manny to juice leading to the fight although he was never tested positive before as if juicing is the only one he had to be a boxer. Look at Vargas case. Positive of stanozol but lost by KO against ODLH

If Manny is caught after the fight. Do you think he can just go away with that?
Boxing is a professional work and you need a license. No license no box in US. Definitely it will be a catastrophe on his career if he is caught cheating

I personally dont think Pac is on PED's. And can understand why Pac refuses to give in to Floyds demands.

But id like to see them fight. And the only way that is happening is if Pac takes the test.
I think he should man up and realise the tests wont physically weaken him, and he should overcome his psychological issue.


Yet this issue is very complicated. If he loses to Floyd, people could say that all his previous wins were attributed to PED's. And he loses every time he takes blood tests.
So taking the tests might not clear his name of these rumours at all.

[LeadUppercut]

Refer to Fighthype's interview on Mayweather.
It was Floyd who rejected Manny's 14 day cut off counter offer

Link below
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content9250.html

This is a dishonest poster

During the ONLY official negotiation, the fight fell through because Pacquiao would not agree to blood testing without a 24-day cutoff.

I am not concerned about what Manny has "apparently" agreed to since then.

If he will apparently agree now, why was a 14-day cutoff not suitable back then?