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Originally posted by puga View Postsu****ious only to you *****s.....the usada exposed themselvesas being a crap and corrupt agency so the better testing by floyd has'nt anything of a meaning now...why do you think pac continues to get praises while floyd gets ****ted on?......lol
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Originally posted by puga View Postofcourse it does......40 of floyd fights, he did'nt need ost....it was just brought up when he was going to face pac man......he did'nt have a choice to not demand it with shane since it's was going to look like he was just singling out pac if he did'nt as true as mosley did'nt have a choice since he has the history of peds......
pac not feeling 100% after a bloodtest is well documented ...floyd knew that, thats why he demanded it....getting your blood drawn and getting a tattoo is the same?....lol....sonny liston had the same problem with blood tests...
Regarding Manny; Floyd SENIOR was honest when he accessed Manny by saying "I've never seen anyone put on 40lbs of pure muscle, get stronger as he gets older and KO's ppl at a weight class which is 40lbs heavier than his amateur weight. In our sport, you don't get stronger, faster, and bigger as you get older. You can't do that without some sort of supplements. I"m not saying FLoyd SENIOR was correct in his assessment of Manny, but his reasons for su****ion were not unreasonable. So yes, they then requested testing. Which brings us right back to square one. Test, and we'll fight.
Regarding Manny not feeling 100% after testing. Sell that someone else. Manny has had blood drawn within 8 days on Hatton-Pacquiao HBO 24/7 actually. Then he returned to train in 100+ degree temperature in the gym that NEXT DAY! No excuses. All of american saw when he had his blood drawn on HBO 24/7 within 8 days of his fight.
Reality Check
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Originally posted by VAW-JR View PostStop kidding yourself, I know you won't but still. And what makes the USADA corrupt? Floyd? If you believe that (which I'm sure you do), that's sad.
Detroit Boxing Examiner
May 22, 7:44 PM
Now that the genie is out of the bottle, or to put it simply, the results of the controversial random Olympic- style drug testing supposedly conducted on both Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Shane Mosley en route to their May 1st welterweight fight are now released to the public, a lot of people are crying out and shaking their heads in disbelief- that the much publicized drug testing conducted on the two fighters by the U.S. Anti- Doping Agency (USADA) is nothing but a sham.
Now, any boxing fan out there is aware that the negotiations for the Manny Pacquiao- Floyd Mayweather, Jr. mega fight bogged down because of differences in the cut off date of the so- called random Olympic- style drug testing which focused mainly on blood testing wherein the camp of Manny Pacquiao proposed a 24- day cutoff plus one right after the fight to which the Floyd Mayweather, Jr. camp countered with its last offer of a 14- day cutoff.
The USADA report currently circulating around various media outlets revealed that both fighters were tested a total of seven times including one for blood and urine after the fight, but the most telling of which were the April 12 & 13 cutoff dates for blood tests conducted on Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. respectively which were about +/- 18 days before fight night.
So, where is the promise that they will conduct the said blood tests anytime up until the night before fight night? Where and when did the “leveling the playing field” dogma come into play in this case? Isn’t it a complete disservice to boxing that, despite the hype and publicity, they failed to back up their claims considering that Shane Mosley is a confessed performance- enhancing drugs (PEDs) user in the past?
Some people will point out that the 18- day blood testing cutoff in the Mayweather- Mosley is immaterial since the focus should be on the word “random” and therefore even if the USADA cutoff period was 18 days before fight night, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Shane Mosley had no idea that they will not be tested again after the said date, which would be enough deterrent for them not to cheat. Yet, these same people were also the ones who were very vocal that a fighter can take PEDs and wash them completely out of one’s system in a little less than 24 hours afterwards.
Thus, on the basis of that questionable rationale above, Travis Tygart, the chief executive officer of the USADA, concluded that both Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Shane Mosley passed the random Olympic- style drug testing conducted by his agency and that the two fighters were clean athletes and “consummate professionals throughout the entire process.”
But if Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Travis Tygart and company think that the boxing public will buy this flimsy and illogical reasoning then they are absolutely mistaken. If Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Travis Tygart and company were able to sell the promise of random Olympic- style testing to gullible people in the past, this time they will be hard put to repeat their success for the boxing public are now aware of their brand of double talk. If Floyd Maywether, Jr., Travis Tygart and company believed that they can come out of this debacle unscathed, then they are absolutely wrong.
“It’s rather disappointing to learn that Money May and this USADA tried to pull a fast one on us. They thought that they can just easily get away from it that’s why. But we know better“ -- Marcus V. Detroit, MI
Contrary to some opinions, boxing fans are not dumb people who are not capable of seeing behind the smoke screen that they are being short-changed, and their intellect challenged to let people like Floyd Mayweather, Jr, Travis Tygart and company get away with it. And contrary to some stereotypes, boxing fans are not a bunch of "punched drunks" to let people like Floyd Mayweather, Jr, Travis Tygart and company fool them and continue to insult their intelligence when it is obvious that they are being taken for a ride.
This random Olympic-style drug testing charade being perpetrated by Floyd Mayweather, Jr, in cooperation with USADA’s Travis Tygart, has to stop. This comedy show run by Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in cooperation with USADA’s Travis Tygart has to end.
Travis Tygart and the USADA have no place in professional sports and they need to clean up their own backyard first, which is literally and figuratively littered with PEDs and cheaters of all colors and sizes before snooping on the business of others. When that time comes, then they can have the moral authority to look on the other side of the fence. But for now, they better stay home and mind their own business.
So, If Floyd Mayweather, Jr. wants to “clean up boxing” then he should take up his case to the proper authority that has proper jurisdiction over the said PEDs issues like the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) or any other state commissions and let them decide on the matter.
Oh by the way, what kind of a boxing fan are you?
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Originally posted by SaiZelion View PostDemanding OST has nothing to do with confidence. Floyd demanded OST of Shane, when Shane agreed, the deal was inked. End of story, no ulterior motives, no underlining thoughts. Agree to testing and we fight. Your argument there would hold some weight if FLoyd had flaked on Shane after Shane agreed. Then I would wholeheartedly agree with you. but Floyd didn't. Floyd laid out his 1 demand and that was "shane, submit to testing and we can fight." Shane said "ok." Fight was inked.
Of all the ppl who was calling Floyd a coward: ESPN, Steward, Sugar, Pryor, Duran, Cooney, Hagler etc... None of them had proof of this mythical 2nd bout of negotiations. Floyd's stance has been made publicly by him even in interviews. And finally, Manny has agreed to a 14 cutoff.
The fact is, Team Manny is more cleaver a winning public perception battles. This fiasco was was birthed when Manny went into an uproar about the OST request. Shane handled it professionally. "Yes, I'll test because I have nothing to hide and why walk away from millions over a blood test?"- Shane Mosley. What did Manny do? Got ticked off, and replied with 3 major demands of his own- ALL OF WHICH FLOYD AGREED TO. Then Manny cancelled 1st round of negotiations. Then Team Manny launched a damage control campaign that was designed to take the focus away from "why Manny would walk away from a potentially $50-$100 million dollar pay day just because he doesn't want to give blood" and put the focus on Floyd by suggesting that Floyd only requested OST and a 60/40 split because he knew that was his only way out of the fight.
Very clever. Politics 101. In the mean time, the masses completely overlook the fact that Floyd followed through with his word in an identical situation with SHANE MOSLEY. "Test, and we fight!" Shane agreed, they fought.
Manny instead, launched lawsuits for defamation, offered up excuses such as religious beliefs, superstition, fear (afraid of needles- even though he has tattoos). All because Manny just didn't want to prove to the world he was clean through random OST. In the meantime while they exert tons of energy to put the spotlight on Floyd, Mayweather sits back with the same 1 demand. Test, and we fight.
I love politics.
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Originally posted by SaiZelion View PostAll sportsmen; boxers, football players, etc are shook about losing. There's always a little something that either crosses your mind or stays with you about the possibility of losing.
Mayweather has not shown any reason he does not want to fight Manny. Just as he did with Shane, Floyd laid out his demand of drug testing. Shane accepted, fight was on.
The same situation applies here, if manny would have agreed, Floyd would have inked the contract. On a the flipside, when you compare the demands between the two fighters teams, it's clear that Team Pacquiao has the most fears.
Team Pacquiao fears Floyd's ability at his natural weight- hence the demand for a catchweight and an unpresidented $10,000,000/per lbs penalty over the weight limit. They fear Floyd's ring generalship- hence the request for a smaller ring. They fear Floyd's comfort- hence the request for him to wear smaller 8oz gloves in hopes his brittle hands may become injured during the fight.
When we compare the nature of demands from both Teams, the evidence is clear that Team Pacquiao has more concerns than Team Floyd. Pacquiao is branded and marketed as the best fighter on earth and potentially of a time. Yet he refuses to fight the best at their best. He's the holder of the 154lb title. So why not face Floyd at his best? Manny should weigh his usual 147lbs, and Floyd should be able to weigh his comfy 152lbs. Both fighters wear the loves they like the most, and gift in a standard ring.
At least Roy Jones fought Ruiz at his natural weight for his legitimate title while giving up 30lbs+. True Champion.
natural weight? huh?
roy put on a lot of muscle for that fight..
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Originally posted by puga View Postbased on what the usada did in the shane vs floyd fight, they exposed themselves as a joke, a sham, a gimmick ..
Detroit Boxing Examiner
May 22, 7:44 PM
Now that the genie is out of the bottle, or to put it simply, the results of the controversial random Olympic- style drug testing supposedly conducted on both Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Shane Mosley en route to their May 1st welterweight fight are now released to the public, a lot of people are crying out and shaking their heads in disbelief- that the much publicized drug testing conducted on the two fighters by the U.S. Anti- Doping Agency (USADA) is nothing but a sham.
Now, any boxing fan out there is aware that the negotiations for the Manny Pacquiao- Floyd Mayweather, Jr. mega fight bogged down because of differences in the cut off date of the so- called random Olympic- style drug testing which focused mainly on blood testing wherein the camp of Manny Pacquiao proposed a 24- day cutoff plus one right after the fight to which the Floyd Mayweather, Jr. camp countered with its last offer of a 14- day cutoff.
The USADA report currently circulating around various media outlets revealed that both fighters were tested a total of seven times including one for blood and urine after the fight, but the most telling of which were the April 12 & 13 cutoff dates for blood tests conducted on Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather, Jr. respectively which were about +/- 18 days before fight night.
So, where is the promise that they will conduct the said blood tests anytime up until the night before fight night? Where and when did the “leveling the playing field” dogma come into play in this case? Isn’t it a complete disservice to boxing that, despite the hype and publicity, they failed to back up their claims considering that Shane Mosley is a confessed performance- enhancing drugs (PEDs) user in the past?
Some people will point out that the 18- day blood testing cutoff in the Mayweather- Mosley is immaterial since the focus should be on the word “random” and therefore even if the USADA cutoff period was 18 days before fight night, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Shane Mosley had no idea that they will not be tested again after the said date, which would be enough deterrent for them not to cheat. Yet, these same people were also the ones who were very vocal that a fighter can take PEDs and wash them completely out of one’s system in a little less than 24 hours afterwards.
Thus, on the basis of that questionable rationale above, Travis Tygart, the chief executive officer of the USADA, concluded that both Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Shane Mosley passed the random Olympic- style drug testing conducted by his agency and that the two fighters were clean athletes and “consummate professionals throughout the entire process.”
But if Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Travis Tygart and company think that the boxing public will buy this flimsy and illogical reasoning then they are absolutely mistaken. If Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Travis Tygart and company were able to sell the promise of random Olympic- style testing to gullible people in the past, this time they will be hard put to repeat their success for the boxing public are now aware of their brand of double talk. If Floyd Maywether, Jr., Travis Tygart and company believed that they can come out of this debacle unscathed, then they are absolutely wrong.
“It’s rather disappointing to learn that Money May and this USADA tried to pull a fast one on us. They thought that they can just easily get away from it that’s why. But we know better“ -- Marcus V. Detroit, MI
Contrary to some opinions, boxing fans are not dumb people who are not capable of seeing behind the smoke screen that they are being short-changed, and their intellect challenged to let people like Floyd Mayweather, Jr, Travis Tygart and company get away with it. And contrary to some stereotypes, boxing fans are not a bunch of "punched drunks" to let people like Floyd Mayweather, Jr, Travis Tygart and company fool them and continue to insult their intelligence when it is obvious that they are being taken for a ride.
This random Olympic-style drug testing charade being perpetrated by Floyd Mayweather, Jr, in cooperation with USADA’s Travis Tygart, has to stop. This comedy show run by Floyd Mayweather, Jr. in cooperation with USADA’s Travis Tygart has to end.
Travis Tygart and the USADA have no place in professional sports and they need to clean up their own backyard first, which is literally and figuratively littered with PEDs and cheaters of all colors and sizes before snooping on the business of others. When that time comes, then they can have the moral authority to look on the other side of the fence. But for now, they better stay home and mind their own business.
So, If Floyd Mayweather, Jr. wants to “clean up boxing” then he should take up his case to the proper authority that has proper jurisdiction over the said PEDs issues like the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) or any other state commissions and let them decide on the matter.
Oh by the way, what kind of a boxing fan are you?
The USADA has been in business since 2000 and are a branch of WADA that tests many athletes for doping, but somehow ONE BOXER can turn them corrupt? Slap yourself.Last edited by V.WEBB; 01-28-2011, 12:59 PM.
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Steward changing his tune now that he's with Cotto :laugh:
he is right though, Floyd is scared as hell
Pac against Tony was good matchmaking
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